Sojourner Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1890012' date='Jun 13 2009, 08:34 PM']Actually, women's status fell after the medieval period. Read Regine Pernoud.[/quote] This is true. Same prof talked about this phenomenon, and tied it to the fact that marriage is no longer a sacrament, and many monesteries and convents were dissolved. To the former point, seeing marriage as a sacrament means it's a transcendent place in which this divine is met; women are as necessary as men to participate in this. Convents were a place of protection, even for married women, because they dignified the place of women in society by showing that women could find happiness and fulfillment without relying on men. Catholicism valued (and still values) women. In the societies where Catholicism was most reviled, women lost status because their value and purpose was to please their husbands. My prof theorized that this is the reason that you see the most strident feminism arising in those countries. The home becomes a place of insignificance, a place of instrumentality, and not a place in which we meet the divine.
QuoteMan Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Well yes, you can talk about that stuff. However, I think the major point is being missed here: You could go pee wherever you wanted! ie: It's called the Dark Ages because light haden't been invented yet... DOY! (I just felt the urge to join into this conversation...)
dominicansoul Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Terra Firma' post='1889760' date='Jun 13 2009, 02:56 PM']My professor for History of the Reformation told us that the idea of the "Dark Ages" was actually developed by Protestant Englishmen around the time of the English Reformation as a way of casting aspersion on the Catholic Church, since the Catholic Church actually had great advances and was deeply influential in the culture during those years. It was a form of propaganda because of the long and bitter fight between Catholics and Protestants in England. Protestants needed to find a way to demonize Catholics, and casting a dark light on history was one way it was done. The history of Spain underwent a similar propagandization, termed the "black legend."[/quote] As a Catholic, I know that most of what I read in history books pertaining to the Church can be quite exaggerated and mostly critical... Don't trust just any source. When I was reading the other thread where this one sprung up, I couldn't help but notice how easy people are fooled by what they read or how society can make us see ourselves as we aren't. Just 'cos the world says the Church was bad bad bad (in any particular age, in this case, the "Dark Ages,") doesn't mean She really was... (and we should know that.. after all, the majority of us are Catholics...and we know our Faith is True, and we will be persecuted and criminalized time after time after time...) I like this thread, because already, I have read so many beautiful positive things that occurred during the "dreaded dark ages..."
Winchester Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='kafka' post='1889831' date='Jun 13 2009, 07:33 PM']...Medieval times ...[/quote] [img]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/edwardkittyspel23/cableguymedeivaltimes.jpg[/img] There were no utensils in medieval times, hence there are no utensils AT Medieval Times.
Paddington Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 The Gummi Bears are set in Medieval Times. Kinda.
Paddington Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1890362' date='Jun 14 2009, 03:21 PM']Bears are food.[/quote] The feeling is mutual.
Nihil Obstat Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1890354' date='Jun 14 2009, 01:01 PM'][img]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h284/edwardkittyspel23/cableguymedeivaltimes.jpg[/img] There were no utensils in medieval times, hence there are no utensils AT Medieval Times.[/quote] So much fun.
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 This could have been a good debate, too bad I missed out on it.
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1890625' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:07 PM']This could have been a good debate, too bad I missed out on it.[/quote] lol, there's no reason you can't add your thoughts now.
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1890660' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:40 PM']lol, there's no reason you can't add your thoughts now.[/quote] I'm not really sure what KoC is arguing.
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1890667' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:51 PM']I'm not really sure what KoC is arguing.[/quote] This might give some context. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=94884&st=0"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...=94884&st=0[/url]
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Well I agree with what Meg has been saying, but if KoC is disagreeing with her, then is he saying that it was a woman's fault if she was uneducated about the Church?
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1890675' date='Jun 14 2009, 07:56 PM']Well I agree with what Meg has been saying, but if KoC is disagreeing with her, then is he saying that it was a woman's fault if she was uneducated about the Church?[/quote] I really don't know exactly what he is arguing either to be honest.
KnightofChrist Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1890675' date='Jun 14 2009, 07:56 PM']Well I agree with what Meg has been saying, but if KoC is disagreeing with her, then is he saying that it was a woman's fault if she was uneducated about the Church?[/quote] No, I was saying that I wouldn't assume that a woman of that time wasn't uneducated about the Church.
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1890685' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:04 PM']No, I was saying that I wouldn't assume that a woman of that time wasn't uneducated about the Church.[/quote] During the dark ages I can about guarantee you most people were uneducated in general, including regarding the Church.
HisChildForever Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1890687' date='Jun 14 2009, 09:07 PM']During the dark ages I can about guarantee you most people were uneducated in general, including regarding the Church.[/quote] I.........agree.
KnightofChrist Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1890687' date='Jun 14 2009, 09:07 PM']During the dark ages I can about guarantee you most people were uneducated in general, including regarding the Church.[/quote] Sure, and ps Doc whats his DeLorean back.
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 The Church did not cause the dark ages. I understand atheists and non Catholics like to use the dark ages to beat up the Church, and there is a lot of Church conduct to attack during the Dark and Middle Ages, but acting like the Church somehow caused it is silly. But when you seem to defend the dark ages you risk looking silly and making your Church look out of toutch with reality.
Hassan Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1890690' date='Jun 14 2009, 08:10 PM']Sure, and ps Doc whats his DeLorean back.[/quote] I don't know who Doc is or what a DeLorean is or why he wants it.
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