Saint Therese Posted June 17, 2009 Author Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) That's amazing. Edited June 17, 2009 by Saint Therese
Apotheoun Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Saint Therese' post='1894094' date='Jun 16 2009, 11:57 PM']Yeah, but your Orthodox.[/quote] Religion has nothing to do with it. As my dad would say, "If you cannot handle your job . . . quit, and find another."
heavenseeker Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 no, that does not match up with the criteria for a mortal sin
icelandic_iceskater Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1894076' date='Jun 17 2009, 02:45 AM']The best thing to do is to simply tell the truth, and not lie about being sick in the first place. Or if you cannot tell the truth, simply go into work as you have agreed to do when you took the job.[/quote] But what if your boss does not have the right to know why you need the day off? e.g. Let's say that 1) you can not get the day off work without letting your boss know why... you must have what he considers to be a just reason. 2) your boss is a hardcore pro-choicer 3) you must take the day off to pray outside of an abortion clinic, as this was your penance last time you went to confession 4) Today is the only day that you are able to do this, since tomorrow a law goes into place tomorrow that will forbid anyone praying/protesting outside of abortion clinics. What could one do then? (ok so this would pretty much never happen... but let's pretend it did)
Gregorius Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='icelandic_iceskater' post='1894229' date='Jun 17 2009, 08:43 AM']But what if your boss does not have the right to know why you need the day off? e.g. Let's say that 1) you can not get the day off work without letting your boss know why... you must have what he considers to be a just reason. 2) your boss is a hardcore pro-choicer 3) you must take the day off to pray outside of an abortion clinic, as this was your penance last time you went to confession 4) Today is the only day that you are able to do this, since tomorrow a law goes into place tomorrow that will forbid anyone praying/protesting outside of abortion clinics. What could one do then? (ok so this would pretty much never happen... but let's pretend it did)[/quote] Hypothetically speaking, your boss would have to honor your right to practice your religion, as that is the reason you are missing work, even if he doesn't agree with it, he'll find that you missing a day of work is easier than having a lawsuit brought against him... Also, I would use the courts to strike down such an unconstitutional law that prevents your right to assembly(assuming this is taking place in a country that explicitly grants such a right.) But I like reality better. Although I don't know if it will help or not, I would avoid telling lies if possible. If the situation involves another worker, I'd talk to your boss and see if he can get together with you to work something out. If it involves your boss, get together with your fellow workers. Don't know if it helps at this point in time though...
StColette Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1894045' date='Jun 17 2009, 01:30 AM']In my opinion the answer would depend upon the rules set out by your employer. Some employers treat sick leave time as part of vacation time, i.e., as something that you must use or lose at the end of the year. That said, it is clearly wrong to lie to someone who has a right to know the truth, and I believe that your employer has a right to know what you are doing on company time. Does your employer pay you when you are out ill? My former employer did, and so it would have been a sin against justice for me to lie to him, since he was going to have to pay me sick leave benefits during the time I was away.[/quote] [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1894076' date='Jun 17 2009, 01:45 AM']The best thing to do is to simply tell the truth, and not lie about being sick in the first place. Or if you cannot tell the truth, simply go into work as you have agreed to do when you took the job.[/quote] I agree with much (if not all) of what Todd has said here. Where I work I have vacation time as well as sick time. Sick time can be used for when I'm sick, my child is sick, or when a spouse or relative is sick and is need of care. My vacation time can also be applied as sick time. Vacation time can be taken for well vacations lol. Oh forgot to mention that sick time can also be applied toward "mental health" days. Sometimes stress of life can really drag you down where you need a break for a day, so sometimes it's prudent to take a "mental health" day. Each company/employer is different on how they will allow sick/vacation time applied. It's best to be truthful with your employer and let them know what is going on. Most employers understand the need for a "mental health" day especially if stress in your life is effecting your work. If there is a problem (uncomfortable or otherwise) going on in your work place, speak with your boss. If the boss is the problem the speak with higher management, if possible, or someone in a management type position other than your boss. Lying about something is never justified and often comes back to bite you in the butt.
Brother Adam Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1894291' date='Jun 17 2009, 12:20 PM']Lying about something is never justified and often comes back to bite you in the butt.[/quote] Unless if you are Ferris Bueller.
StColette Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1894307' date='Jun 17 2009, 11:56 AM']Unless if you are Ferris Bueller.[/quote] Well, he's special lol
Dan Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 This is an interesting topic as I have told my boss I will be taking most of Friday off. My 4th Degree Assembly has been asked to provide a color guard for an event at our parish on Friday afternoon. I have not lied ( directly ) to my boss, but he is under the impression that I will be at a church service ( true ) which he probably defines as a funeral. He is a non-Catholic so it is simply easier to allow him to operate under a misconception than to go into a detailed explanation of what, why, how, for what purpose, if this is Catholic, or simply weird. If you need me, I will be over there ---> adding coal the fire in Purgatory over this one.
CatherineM Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 If you are trying to avoid a hostile work environment, there is more involved here than just calling in sick.
Dan Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1894368' date='Jun 17 2009, 01:23 PM']If you are trying to avoid a hostile work environment, there is more involved here than just calling in sick.[/quote] If you mean that I am ( essentially ) prostituting myself for the paycheck, then guilty as charged. However, I need this whackada-whackada-razzenframitz-blurpie-fizzie job for another 2 years before I can retire. While it is not yet a crime here to express [s]any[/s] [s]most [/s] [s]some[/s] a couple of Christian ideals, it is rapidly moving that way. My cube is my refuge. The screensaver on the PC is a picture of Mary and the Christ child with the caption from Duet 30:19 "Choose therefore life..." If that doesn't stop you then the smallish gold cross on the wall should.
CatherineM Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Dan' post='1894394' date='Jun 17 2009, 12:54 PM']If you mean that I am ( essentially ) prostituting myself for the paycheck, then guilty as charged. However, I need this whackada-whackada-razzenframitz-blurpie-fizzie job for another 2 years before I can retire. While it is not yet a crime here to express [s]any[/s] [s]most [/s] [s]some[/s] a couple of Christian ideals, it is rapidly moving that way. My cube is my refuge. The screensaver on the PC is a picture of Mary and the Christ child with the caption from Duet 30:19 "Choose therefore life..." If that doesn't stop you then the smallish gold cross on the wall should.[/quote] Technically you can go on unemployment for a hostile work environment. Unfortunately, being discriminated against for being a Christian is one of the last remaining discriminations that is still allowed.
Dan Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1894402' date='Jun 17 2009, 02:00 PM']Technically you can go on unemployment for a hostile work environment. Unfortunately, being discriminated against for being a Christian is one of the last remaining discriminations that is still allowed.[/quote] What would you think of my wandering down the various hallways singing "Death to the pagans and heathens around here, doo-waah, doo-waah"?
StColette Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='Dan' post='1894406' date='Jun 17 2009, 02:05 PM']What would you think of my wandering down the various hallways singing "Death to the pagans and heathens around here, doo-waah, doo-waah"?[/quote] lol rather catchy tune.
Dan Posted June 17, 2009 Posted June 17, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1894415' date='Jun 17 2009, 02:24 PM']lol rather catchy tune.[/quote] Autographed CD's a mere $429.71
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