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[quote name='Angel*Star' post='1915871' date='Jul 9 2009, 02:26 PM']Who will be there with you when you die if you don't have children[/quote]
If I do my retirement right and have a good inheritance saved up, some 25 year old I married late in life.

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[quote name='Christie_M' post='1916745' date='Jul 10 2009, 01:52 PM']well, considering life starts at conception and then can't plant itself cause of the pill...


heh, have you seen (well, read) some of the side effects from the pill? Stroke, increased risk of breast cancer, Nausea, Weight gain, mood swings (that's just what i can remember from my uncle's girlfriend)
and tylenol, ibuprofen and aspirin are ment to make you healthier. not prevent pregnancy ;)[/quote]

I would like to have some research done to see if it causes some ovarian and endometrial cancer too.

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[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1916749' date='Jul 10 2009, 01:56 PM']well, you know what i mean! :P
you do realize the last three sideeffects you listed also happen in grand fashion if you dont use the pill? lol :hehe:[/quote]

At least when I am pregnant I am only moody for nine months, not years on the pill. I will admit even my older children remind themselves when the baby is born, mom will return to her nice self. What if I went on the pill and was that way all the time? Ugh!

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[quote name='bonkers' post='1914304' date='Jul 8 2009, 11:25 AM']I think this is an extremely bleak and pessimistic outlook. Most *couples* don't perceive their partners as pure instruments of pleasure and sex as a means of "cheap, quick, temporal thrill". This is a rather extreme and spiteful perspective. Who are you to judge others peoples sex lives anyway? Not all guys having premarital sex see their girlfriends as a cheap sl*t and for those who do it's not like the their going to give much thought to abstinence.[/quote]

You're right in that most people usually do not go out and say, "Yea I'm going to use my boyfriend or girlfriend tonight in bed," yet people are still using each other none the less and usually deep down they know that they really are using them and are getting used themselves. I once read this story where a boyfriend and girlfriend were sleeping together and just out of the blue the guy asked, "So what if we stopped having sex?" His girlfriend burst into tears saying that even though she believed that he really did like her and seemed to care about her to a certain extent at least and that she didn't see him as a jerk that she couldn't help but feel used by him when they were having premarital sex. So out of love for her he decided to treat her with dignity and wait for her. Sure practicing chastity was a struggle but they never regretted it in the end. They got married and have a beautiful family.

You may feel that you really have found the right person, you may even be engaged and then you have sex. Some time later though you may break up knowing that you gave a part of yourself to them and that gift was never meant for them. Did you know that according to research studies that half of all engaged couples break up before the wedding?

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[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1916711' date='Jul 10 2009, 02:24 PM']contraception and NFP are the same thing if you are using them to control pregnancy. just because one is natural doesnt make them any different in practice. if any birthcontrol is a sin(i dont think so) then just because you are choosing a less effective method does not make it more virtuous, or the other option less so.[/quote]

Now you're saying something a little different from before, or maybe you said it this way before and it was missed in the barrage of messages. I think what you're trying to get at is that a couple using any method of family planning solely for the sake of avoiding pregnancy, especially for unfounded or selfish reasons, is contracepting regardless of the method they're using. This is true; it's part of Church teaching on NFP.

Second, NFP is about as effective as the pill and other common family planning methods. The "virtuous" point isn't based on the method's effectiveness, but rather on the couple remaining physically open to life throughout marriage and especially every time they renew their marriage vows in sexual intimacy. The problem with the pill or vasectomy isn't that they are somehow "too effective" at preventing pregnancy, but rather that the couple has inserted a physical barrier to prevent conception. The physical barrier can be obvious, like condoms, or very subtle, like the pill or a vasectomy, but either way it is physically impossible (or nearly impossible) for sperm to fertilize an egg and create new life.

NFP presents no physical barrier: it simply allows couples to plan for childbirth as loving parents often need to while maintaining the very real connection between sex and conception of new life. If a couple needs time before having a child, they need to abstain at times. No other method maintains that connection; they allow couples to have all the sex they want while keeping pregnancy on the back burner as long as they wish, if not indefinitely. In pointing out that NFP can be used in a contraceptive manner (we agree), you haven't responded to this one.

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Another point is that when couples are doing NFP, and still have a conception, the child is welcomed. Often when other types of birth control fail, the child isn't welcomed.

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I have never once heard of anyone regretting their decision to practice chastity EVER. That is because chastity is a decision made out of love for the betterment of others and oneself. Can you imagine a groom that has practiced chastity on his wedding day with his beautiful bride-- his beloved, walking down the aisle towards him thinking, "I wish that I had given myself over to those other women in the past. I missed some awesome opportunities"? I can't at all. Why would he be thinking that? All of those cheap thrills and physical actions during those supposed times that he was really in love could never possibly compare.

Sure some people who practice mere abstinence may feel regretful but that is because they acted out of fear from pregnancy and diseases but chastity is far deeper than that for as I said chastity is a decision made because of love.

I've lost track of how many people that I know of that have regretted having sex before marriage and not just because of pregnancy and diseases but for many mental, emotional, and spiritual reasons. According to research 2 thirds of When do we ever hear from those that have had premarital sex desribe how since making their decisions that they have felt true peace and joy from having sex outside of marriage? There's this one book that came out not that long ago that I want to read called "Twelve Lives Transformed by the Theology of the Body." [i]Transformed[/i]...utterly [i]TRANSFORMED[/i]. How beautiful of a title!

The Pure Love Club has posted reasons that people practice chastity on their website. These really are beautiful.

"Remaining chaste in a relationship makes it so simple and beautiful. It's like reliving the feeling of a first kiss over and over, without the weight of impurity haunting you. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING."
-Anna, 20


"I have decided to stay pure because I honestly believe that God has already picked out an amazing man for me who is exactly what I want and need. I will love him with all my heart. I see no reason to become sexually close to a guy now because if we're not meant to be married, why should I give a little piece of my heart to someone who doesn't deserve it? If a guy really loves me, he will love my mind, body, and soul. He will wait for me - no matter how long it takes. God made sex so beautifully that it will be worth that wait. Every day I pray for my future husband. I hope he's praying for me, too. And Darling, after we're married, I'm going to have a TON of letters for you. :) "
- Jacinta.


"I live the virtue of chastity because I have it as the only true choice after my 34 years of experimenting, and because I want to love."
-Robert


"I choose to be pure because that's what God, my future husband, and I want. I know God wants it because he says so in his word. I know my husband wants it because it is such a special gift. A friend once used the analogy that purity is like a beautifully wrapped present. If too many people are allowed to handle it, or open it, by the time it gets to the one its meant for, your future mate, its ripped and crumpled. And even though your future mate will accept it, he/she will probably be disappointed it wasn't as beautiful as it started out as. I want to stay pure because I want to be able to give myself wholly to my husband and have no regrets. Those are the reasons I want to stay pure. Not only for myself, but also for God and my future husband."
- Michelle


"I choose to be pure because there will never be a condom made that will protect my heart and faith."
- Amanda

"I'm a girl who has her future to think of. I have a plan for my future. I want to graduate, hopefully obtain scholarships, go to college, graduate, and then become a video game designer/voice-over actress. And having sex now is NOT worth risking my future and dreams for. Because what if I got pregnant? I couldn't abort an innocent child, nor could I handle college and a baby. Or, what if I got something incurable? I'd have thrown away my life just for that quick high. And I don't want to do that. The standards I've set for my future husband are staying at where they are. I won't lower them just to get a guy. My future husband has to first earn my body, by loving me for my mind, heart, and soul, before he'll ever get to have my virginity. That is because if he can't wait for our marriage to have me, then honestly, I don't believe he's worth it. And I'm not looking for a big commitment from any guy at this age, because right now, it's not important. I'm only 16; marriage is not the top thing in my list of priorities. My big thing right now is my future, and that's what I'm sticking with."
- Kristie



"I can remember when I was 17 years old I would say, "I want to lose my virginity by the time I'm 18." Deep down I felt a sense of rejection and remorse for even thinking that, but I still buried those feelings inside of me. What my heart was really saying was, "I just want somebody to love me for exactly who I am." This voice did not make itself heard until I was 21 years old and I decided to commit myself to chastity. However, it did take some bad experiences and unnecessary pain I chose to endure. As my high school years progressed, I watched my friends around me get into relationships that ultimately ended up in sexual activity. Then after sexual activity, came the birth control pill, then lying to their parents about sexual activity AND taking birth control, then the visits to the OB/GYN, then the pregnancy scares. I was there for the tears and the guilt my friends endured. No matter how much they complained about their decision to lose their virginity, I still wanted to lose mine because I thought that's what love was. I had random "hookups" with guys that had no respect for me. A few times I almost succumbed to sex, but in the heat of the moment I heard a voice telling me "NO!" One time I put myself in a situation that could have resulted in rape. I had enough of the games, the what-ifs, and the emotional pain from these "hookups." I learned that they do not attain self-worth, only more confusion that a young adult does not need to put up with. When I was 21, I gave my life to Jesus and even converted to Catholicism. It was then that I learned the virtue of chastity. I was very moved by Jason and Crystalina's advice. Now, I have a boyfriend who loves me for exactly who I am. We have committed ourselves to save sex for marriage and neither one of use have regretted that decision. There have been times that we have gone too far, but God's forgiveness is endless like and ocean. He loves us and wants what is best for us. Real love and freedom does not exist in the bounds of birth control or sexually active relationships, it comes from chastity, and chastity brings real freedom and peace of mind."
- Kim, 22

The reason I choose Chastity is summed up in one simple message: The Beatitudes. Jesus tells us that the pure of heart will see God. That alone is enough for me.
- Matt

I choose to remain chaste because I owe it to God to use my body that He gave me the way He wishes, and anyone who died for me only has the best wishes for me, so in other words, God will never let us down, and anything He created for us is real love. Also, I want a gift for my future bride that is worth alot more than any ring or anything like that...myself.
- Rory.


"I myself am Roman Catholic and I live for chastity because, to me, there is no other option. I know that chastity is the only way for me to live, because, it pleases God, I don't feel guilty, I won't get pregnant or get an STD, no broken heart, and I don't want to get married and find out my husband saved himself for me but I didn't return the favor. But I have one message for other teens, chastity is worth the fight, and if you have an addiction to anything sexual, you can break out of it! Pray to God, go to Mass and Confession, but first thing, be honest with yourself because that's the first step to getting rid of something."
-Caitlin


"I've seen what society's view of happiness does to people. The biggest part of people's lives is made out to be pre-marital or extra-marital sex. So many guys and girls think that they are fulfilled and improved by sex, when the sad truth is that they only hurt themselves more and more each time. Since my youth I've been told that I should save myself for my wife. As a matter of fact, it's become second nature (thank God). All of the pain I've seen supports what I have been told about God's plan for sexuality. Now, I'm searching for the right girl and using the wonderful gifts of God, prayer, my faith, and great resources to affirm and strengthen my dedication to chastity. May we all call on God for help in our efforts, because He is always with us."
- Daniel, 17


"I have a little bit of experience sexually, and I think it is the perfect amount needed to fully understand "Romance without Regret". All you feel is regret and once you do it not only does purity sound fulfilling, but it is way better than regretting things. My wife is out there somewhere and I know that I want the kind of marriage that will be fulfilling without sex. And my final thought is quite simple. You are doing what the Bible wants you to do as well as what your parents want you to do!"
-Andrew


"I wasn't allowed to date until I was 18 years old. (Thank God for my parents!) A twenty year old boy asked me out when I was four months away from my 18th birthday. I informed him of the problem that stood in the way of my seeing him as anything other than a friend, and he agreed to go out to dinner with me and several of my friends. From that point on he went out with my friends and I every weekend, he played football with us, and came over to my house when I had parties. I couldn't seem to get rid of him (and I couldn't decide if I wanted to or not). Every time I turned around he was there. He started buying me little "presents" and on my eighteenth birthday he sent me 18 red roses that were delivered with a very sweet birthday card, signed in ink personally before he left. (He was in Florida with his family on my birthday). As soon as he got back he asked me on a date and that very night he asked me to be his girlfriend. After a month or so, he told me that he loved me and kept trying to steal kisses from me (in a cute way). I was still trying to figure out whether or not I loved him, because if I said I did, and then decided I didn't, I would hurt him terribly. My goal was to be %100 sure that I couldn't live without him before I said anything about loving him, and before I kissed him. This took a few months, but before long I could think of nothing else but him and kissing him was all I wanted to do. Now you already know how he felt about the situation, so you can imagine where we ended up. We were having a very hard time remaining pure, even though he had no intention of having sex before marriage, and I was willing to die before I gave away my virginity. I was not expecting it to be so hard. I always thought it was a clear cut thing and now I was finding my self falling into sins of impurity and crying my self to sleep every night. I went to confession, I prayed, and then I would fall again. I was pushing my limits and expecting some angel of God to come and pull me away before I sinned too grievously. After six months he had given me a promise ring, promising to marry me after he had gotten through college. On Diving Mercy Sunday 2004 I begged Jesus to help my boyfriend and I be so perfectly pure that we would be able to sit all evening alone in his bedroom and just hold hands, without the slightest problem. (I found out later that his prayer that day was very similar to mine). Our prayers were answered within a month. I am now engaged to the strongest and most determined man I know. He is a gentleman through and through. Our new found innocence and purity has transformed our relationship and both of our lives. Now if he only touches my lips ever so lightly with his, my whole body trembles. He tells me he loves me at least ten times a day. He holds my hand tenderly and holds me lovingly in his arms. We used to fight all of the time, and argue about everything. Now our arguments are few and we resolve them quickly and lovingly. I used to feel like my world was ending at the end of the night, when he drove away. I felt like he was taking a part of me with him, I felt empty. Now I fall asleep dreaming about him and looking forward to the day when I can fall asleep in his arms. There is no other way to live. A pure life, united to our most Adorable God, is so wonderful I sometimes feel guilty that I am so happy and that God has given me so many wonderful blessings. My heart aches for all of the young girls in the world who long to be loved purely but don't know how to get out of the cycle they are in. And also for those girls who don't even know what they are missing, who throw themselves willingly into lives full of sin and void of all respect. The life that God intends for each of us is beyond all of our wildest dreams! Do not settle for less! Tell Him that you want the life He has waiting for you. Ask Him for it! God will never let you down. God Bless."
-Kristina


"For me, living the virtue of chastity is a part of being a catholic girl. Because chastity teaches us how to live for love each other and have feelings that can be stronger than body feelings."
-Amal


"After careful reflection on the subject of lust, I think I've gained some insight as to how it works and why it doesn't work for good Christian people! The whole trouble with lust is that it seeks bodily pleasure with no regard whatsoever for the soul or for our spiritual well-being. The person who indulges in lust falls into the trap of thinking the body is more important than and independent from the soul. In fact, lust disregards the soul entirely. A person governed by lust is like a small animal that spends the whole day chasing a laser point around a room, trying endlessly to capture the beam in its paws. This sort of behavior would not occur if we had faith in the gift God offers us (i.e. that He will give us the laser pointer if we stop trying to snatch the dot for ourselves). Lust takes you from girl to girl to girl without ever leading you to any real satisfaction. The difficult thing about real love and spiritual bonding is that it can't be realized to its fullest, heavenly extent on earth at all, and takes a lot of time and effort. Disordered sexual pleasure can be obtained instantaneously, at just about any time. These are ideal conditions for any kind of sin, the principle of which is always take whatever you can right now. If you don't try to avoid lust, you could spend your whole life chasing after that imaginary red dot on the wall. Eventually, the red laser point may get so high on the wall you can hardly reach it. Hopefully, the damage of prolonged radiation on your eye isn't so bad that you can't find your way back to God! Don't forget that Jesus forgave the prostitute and let the blind man see!"
-Josh


"When I was young I played blues and rock. We toured, we had girls in every town. It was the 60ths and 70ths. As soon as you talked to a girl your mind was already planning sex. This destroyed something very important in my life. I can truly say that it took many years to heal this wound. My wonderful wife, my children, the Catholic Church and much praying made the healing possible. I will perhaps never be completely healed, I lost something important. Living chaste since my children are grown up is a true blessing. The love between my wife and me is better and more rewarding than ever. Through the promiscuous "hilarious" sex life during the rocking years I had great problems with natural and holy intimacy with my wife. But I cannot emphasize enough how much and how deep you cut into the finest layer of our hearts. Exactly what is destroyed? The sane wonder of the woman as Gods creation. True love becomes more and more difficult for every single instance of wild sex. Somehow I knew that during the touring years. But I couldn't stop it. It was a general ideology of sex, drugs and rock'n roll. As I see young people today talking with dreamy eyes about Woodstock and the sixties, listening to the music of that period and connecting this with promiscuous pleasure-seeking, I don't know what to say. If they only knew! Purity is a beautiful adventure, a form of strong love. It is not a matter of abstaining, repression and holding back pleasure, the false ideologies of hedonism will tell you that. They will refer to Freud and Reich and say we all need hedonistic outlet, allowing our "passions" to follow through and reach a great satisfaction. The truth is: this satisfaction NEVER comes. Desire needs more desire. It is a never ending craving. Why is that? Because the natural desire points to family, to children, to love forever, not merely for now. Natural desire points to God.
Keep up the fight for true beauty!
- Staffan (Sweden, Europe)


"We were talking on the phone and one joke led to another. Next thing I knew, I had snuck in her house and we both gave up our virginities. I was 19 and she was 15. We were "so in love." Not too soon after that did a fun and exiting relationship start to become a little more of a chain, and the worst part was that neither of us saw it happening. We didn't tell anyone. She kept it from her mom. I guess I should have figured that if she kept something from the lady that brought her up, I should have figured she would just as easy keep from me, the fact that she was seeing another guy behind my back only 6 months later. I never saw it coming. She must have felt used by me, and I definitely felt used by her. I can't say much more for her, except that she didn't keep herself pure thereafter. As for me, I can say nothing better. Trying to recover from this I went on for about 3 years where I had intercourse with at least five or six other girls of which none of them meant a thing to me. Of course they didn't think that. You see I have always been the exception for girls. I was always viewed as "one of the last good men" out there and I couldn't be capable of being a jerk. They didn't know that I had made a vow to get all girls back for my pain. The way I saw it, I gave myself to one of them and she played with me and hurt me. Then I figured that guys go through this all the time and I figured that I would stand up for all of us. I would be the one who did it to girls. It's amazing how easy it is to do that when you have enough confidence. How easy it is to rob a girl of her purity, how easy it is to give in to one of Satan's most powerful weapons…lust. This of course led me to parties and drinking since those and sex, to a young man, seem to always go together. I lost myself in this, and after 3 years of this, I felt no better. I just wanted to keep doing it in hopes of gaining satisfaction. One day at church they made the announcement of a guy who was giving a sex talk. I didn't sign up and didn't plan on going. Instead I figured I'd chill with a girl who I owed a favor to. When I went, we started setting up and I saw a lot of people getting there. Not 15 minutes went by before I saw my church group at the other end of the room. I then realized that I was at the sex talk that I was trying to get away from. I realized that God would not have it otherwise, so I listened up. Jason Evert changed my life. His talk made total and complete sense to me and showed me how to view my sexuality and girls in a completely different way. I made a chastity commitment on January 6th of 2004 and since then I have not fallen once, in any type of sexual sin. Not only that, but because of this promise, a whole chain of events rolled off that got me going to daily mass, fasting regularly, and changing my view on life. I am a completely different person than I was back then. God pulled me out of my misery and into Life. Praise God."
-Sebastian


I am 40 years old. I took the pledge to remain pure.Time and time again I see kids fall from grace simply because their parents don't think it's important to set a good example. A few years ago I took in teen. If I'm going to tell her to wait until marriage I'd better be walking the walk myself. Over the years now, I have been so blessed and so happy, I took my pledge a step further and consecrated my self to Jesus through the evangelical counsels. Not all who are consecrated are priests, monks or nuns. Those are apostolic institutes. There are also secular institutes, consecrated hermits, consecrated virgins and widows. It is a gift and a blessing!
- Max


"When I was 13, I became friends with a boy who had a crush on me for the past two years. It was all new and wonderful to have someone feel that way towards me, so I liked him back. Immediately, the three magic words were spoken. I thought I was really in love. For the following year, we had a good relationship...it was very simple with only hugs as physical affection. As months passed, we stayed together and planned to get married someday. He said I was beautiful and perfect, everything he had dreamed of and decided he wanted. I could never say that to him because of a list I had made when I was 12 of all the characteristics I wanted in my future husband. My boyfriend didn't fit any of them - but for a reason unknown to me, I chose to love him, and I gave my heart to him. I tried being the best girlfriend I could possibly be. I truly began to love him. But countless times, I would have these doubts about us because in my heart I knew he wasn't the one. I ignored them because I wanted him to be the one. Two years after we were a couple, we had our first kiss. It was a terrifying, awkward, and sweet couple seconds. After that, we only made out. I thought it was okay because I knew we would get married; he'd be the only one knowing the feel of my lips. As I look back now, I see how quickly our relationship fell after that. Little by little, things went farther every time we kissed. I would resist sometimes, and sometimes he would listen. Though we promised we wouldn't have sex till marriage, doing those things made us (at the time) feel so close, on fire and completely in love. He would tell me he loved me and wanted to marry me. But it was afterwards that made me detest him. He would never look me in the eyes, and we wouldn't have anything to talk about. I felt literally dirty and cheap - not beautiful anymore. We began to have fights about things that never bothered us before. There was name-calling and tearful phone conversations, misunderstandings and him ignoring me in front of our friends. I never understood why he would profess his love to me when we were alone, then laugh at me in front of people. I would talk to him about it, but he would say I was too sensitive and had to toughen up. He said that's how he and his family were, so I would have to get used to it. I was always hurt by this but was confident I had to change myself for him. My self-esteem was extremely low around him. I was diagnosed with depression after three years of the relationship, two years of total sadness, and one attempt at suicide. That same month, I went to a conference where Jason Evert talked. That day I learned that this wasn't TRUE LOVE. I knew very well that I loved my boyfriend in my own little way, but was it a way that was good in God's eyes? I knew we would break up. And it made me feel better knowing that I wasn't alone. Over the summer, I slowly overcame my depression. I felt myself changing a lot as my mind cleared and I saw how terrible this relationship was. We fought nearly every time we saw each other (I'm NOT kidding), and the physical level of our relationship was so heavy that I sometimes I don't feel like I could still be technically called a virgin. Though I know I still am, I gave so much of myself to him and let him do so much, that I feel like I've totally cheated on my future-husband. Respect for my boyfriend plummeted when one night in the summer, outside on the grass, he forced something that I really didn't want. I remember looking up past him at the most beautiful night of stars I'd ever seen, tears in my eyes because of the pain. I remember asking myself why I was doing this - I wasn't even enjoying it anymore. I saw my first shooting star that night and quickly made a wish that my husband would love me despite what I was doing. I broke up with him that fall. I tried staying friends and being nice, but he would not let me go. Because of all the drama, we don't even talk anymore. I've been okay without him. I don't miss him, the fights, the awkwardness, the lies we told our parents, nor the false intimacy. I do miss my best friend, but I've taken comfort knowing that God had someone special for me. At the moment, I'm now in a relationship with a guy who is practically everything I wanted back when I was 12. I'm not saying he's "the one", nor am I saying I love him yet or that we will get married. I'm just saying is that if I had waited a few more years, I could've saved myself so much pain and regret - I could look into the eyes of my new boyfriend and feel worthy of him. He is so gentle and respectful. When I'm with him, I feel treasured...something I never felt with my ex. He knows what I've gone through, and though we're very interested in each other, he's taking it very slow - and I am so thankful for that. I just have to tell girls out there - just because a guy says he loves you, and insists that he does things because he loves you (like trying to have sex and force things) - his actions are what proves how much love he has for you. Believe me - I never would've felt this strongly about it if I hadn't gone through a bad relationship. If you don't feel like the guy is treating you well enough - GOOD FOR YOU! You have self-esteem and self-respect...you are worth waiting for. If a guy loves you, really loves you, he will respect you. Any excuses he gives are proving his unworthiness of you. Please hold out for your prince...he's coming!"
-Margaret, 17 (New York)


"I choose to wait because I don't think sex is necessary for me in this stage in my life. I have no-one that I'd rather share it with than the man that will become my husband in the future. My body belongs to God and I do not want to defile this gift he gave me."
-Sami



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That was terrific.

Personally, I have a hard time taking any sexual purity program seriously if it's called "abstinence only." "Abstinence only" doesn't work. "Abstinence only" doesn't present a Catholic view on human sexuality.

chastity =/= abstinence only. Even celibacy =/= abstinence only

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Thanks tinytherese. Those were beautiful. I hope many of the young people in Phatmasland read them and think.

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