Prostitution

[Don John of Austria]

All that said, i think the question on the other poll was indeed much better worded.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1912668' date='Jul 6 2009, 01:23 PM']I voted yes, but I would rather vote "the State shouldn't rule one way or the other" on prostitution.

The State simply shouldn't be in the business of recognizing such matters at all. And the State certainly shouldn't be deeming things moral or immoral (in legal terms, this would mean "legal" or "illegal.")[/quote]


Again Lounge Daddy, I am truly surprized at your position here. Perhaps the Catechism will help you rethink itl

2210 The importance of the family for the life and well-being of society entails a particular responsibility for society to support and strengthen marriage and the family. Civil authority should consider it a grave duty "to acknowledge the true nature of marriage and the family, to protect and foster them, to safeguard public morality, and promote domestic prosperity."



1979 The natural law is immutable, permanent throughout history. The rules that express it remain substantially valid. It is a necessary foundation for the erection of moral rules and civil law.

The problem of course today is that the state has lost it's moral compass.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1939101' date='Aug 2 2009, 04:26 PM']Again Lounge Daddy, I am truly surprized at your position here. Perhaps the Catechism will help you rethink itl
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The problem of course today is that the state has lost it's moral compass.[/quote]

Thanks for the opportuntiy to clarify
When I speak of government, I tend to think of the US Government. So that's what I was refering to.

You understand that I also believe that Government best serves when it is kept as local as possible; and not when power is centred in Washington. If a Government is going to rule on moral matters, let it be a local Government.

When Political Power is concentrated in one distant institution, I am not comfortable with them even recognising a moral matter. Or any matter at all.

It's no accident that the Federal Government had been losing its moral compass, in my opinion, at about the same rate that it has gained more and more political (and economic, and moral) power toward Washington. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

As for prostitution, with legal recognition of any kind the Federal Government power over yet another institution. Excuse me for not trusting the Federal Government to get that one right.

Keep in mind that the unborn were far safer when the question of Abortion was in the hands of the states. Don't trust the Federal Government with moral matters. Keep power close We The People.

[thessalonian]

The Catehism does not distinguish between local and federal governments. It says that all government officials should base laws on morality. That is clear if you read the passages I posted in the other thread.

[Lounge Daddy]

I don't see where the CCC mandates that the Federal Government is required to demand morality under threat of law. You are seeing what you want to see. Utopian idealism perhaps?

And the reality is, it is foolish to remove diversity of political power and place all Government Power into one Federal institution. And even more foolish to expect, or even demand, that the Federal Government use the coerciveness of law to demand morality.

Again, it didn't work out too well for the unborn in this country did it?

Maybe, just maybe, the best thing the Federal Government could do to "safeguard public morality, and promote domestic prosperity" would be, in fact, to do nothing at all.

[White Knight]

Logically its never acceptable in any circumstances, even if your poor and you cannot make money any other way, better to be poor and keep self respect and dignity of that person, rather than to sell out and get cash for using your body as a tool for self gratifcation, and end up killing yourself from STD's and other problems as well.

Rather its Females or Males,[u] [b]nethier is more right or wrong , both are equally wrong[/b], [/u][u][b]non more so than the other, both are mortal sins[/b][/u]. Prositution is wrong, even for the same sex relations too.

Now that may sound harsh all they way, but this battlefield is harsh especially in this area, you have to fight fire with water., Lust with Chasity and Abstinence and self respect forward yourself with dignity toward others. and yourself as well. [u][b]There are no acceptions to Prositution.[/b][/u]


[size=4][color="#FF0000"][b]For those who are in this life style though, it is up to good moral people "not just Catholics" but all people of all religions, to live a life of discpline, self respect, and charity, and to present it to the people who are in this area, to hopefully inspire them to change and to leave the immoral lifestyle. All we can do is live a inspiring life toward others, to help pull us all through our own weaknesses. [/b][/color][/size]

[b] White Knight
Aaron
God Bless You All, Pax Christi.[/b]

Edited August 4, 2009 by White Knight

[thessalonian]

"Again, it didn't work out too well for the unborn in this country did it?"

So now what are you saying? The rights of the unborn should not be protected? That this country went awry on the matter is of no consequence as to whether their should or shouldn't be a law. This thread isn't about what type of government we should or shouldn't have. We have what we've got and according to the Catechism it is incumbent upon a right thinking governement to obey natural law and do their best to put laws in place that do not violate it. That is what the Catechism says. Are you wiser than the Church?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1940799' date='Aug 5 2009, 12:04 AM']"Again, it didn't work out too well for the unborn in this country did it?"

So now what are you saying? The rights of the unborn should not be protected? ... Are you wiser than the Church?[/quote]

The rights of the unborn are not currently protected, in case you didn't notice. And I don't disagree with the CCC. I simply disagree with your interpretation of it.