VeniteAdoremus Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 It's [url="http://nunsopsummit.org/"]here[/url] and it's gorgeous. Please pray that their new postulant Janlyn gets her visa sorted and can enter on the Feast of St. Dominic!
Thomist-in-Training Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 Looks great! I know how it is with visas...
kavalamyself Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 I like this page. [url="http://nunsopsummit.org/history/"]http://nunsopsummit.org/history/[/url] How come some of the nuns wear scapulars that are dark. Also, that is Mother Mary Francis! RIP
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 [quote name='kavalamyself' post='1913765' date='Jul 8 2009, 12:57 AM']I like this page. [url="http://nunsopsummit.org/history/"]http://nunsopsummit.org/history/[/url] How come some of the nuns wear scapulars that are dark. Also, that is Mother Mary Francis! RIP[/quote] The nuns with the dark scapulars are the equivalent of the still-existing "cooperator brother". The nuns with the white scapulars (and, after profession, black veils) are "choir nuns". The black scapulars, while also vowed and contemplative, concentrated more on keeping the convent running so the choir nuns could spend more time in prayer. With the Dominicans, there's no difference anymore. I think only the Carthusians kept it.
kavalamyself Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Thanks, Venite. Is that like an "Extern" nun or more like an "Oblate" or "Donate" ? Also, did anybody see how much money they raised?! Holy moly! TIA, Kavala Edited July 7, 2009 by kavalamyself
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 [quote name='kavalamyself' post='1913817' date='Jul 8 2009, 01:54 AM']Thanks, Venite. Is that like an "Extern" nun or more like an "Oblate" or "Donate" ? Also, did anybody see how much money they raised?! Holy moly! TIA, Kavala[/quote] Well, Donates and Oblates make promises, not vows, so that would make them more like externs. But not all "lay" sisters were externs (although I would hazard all externs were "lay" sisters). And yes, they're true mendicants, they got the begging down
TeresaBenedicta Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1913797' date='Jul 7 2009, 07:28 PM']The nuns with the dark scapulars are the equivalent of the still-existing "cooperator brother". The nuns with the white scapulars (and, after profession, black veils) are "choir nuns". The black scapulars, while also vowed and contemplative, concentrated more on keeping the convent running so the choir nuns could spend more time in prayer. With the Dominicans, there's no difference anymore. I think only the Carthusians kept it.[/quote] Random fact related to all of this: It was beginning with the Cistercians that any sort of division occured between "choir monks" and what they called '[i]conversi[/i]'. [i]Conversi[/i] were "lay monks" who worked the land and took care of the day to day jobs of the house, giving "choir monks" more opportunity for prayer. I was also reading about this sort of division in the beginnings of the Order of Preachers... St. Dominic wanted the "choir monks" to be able to focus on prayer and study and preaching... but he recognized that the necessities that life brings and that most likely his preachers would have to attend to them.
kavalamyself Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Thanks for the clarification. I like the black scapulars. As for their fundraising, what an accomplishment. I am sure St. Dominic would be thrilled with them. I know they have many devoted fans, so I would think their fans are rejoicing in knowing how well things are going! Has anyone tried their soaps? Edited July 8, 2009 by kavalamyself
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 8, 2009 Author Posted July 8, 2009 I have! They are really, really good. My favourite is Cloister Garden. I like soft flowery soap. But I've also tried honey, and Natale is very nice... they're excellent gifts. Oh, and seriously, their hand creme is the best ever.
kavalamyself Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Does anybody else here miss the old habits with the guimpe? Why did they change? As for their soaps, I think I will try the grapefruit. I love the fresh, clean smell of grapefruit, especially Creed's! Edited July 8, 2009 by kavalamyself
FiereMargriet Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 [quote name='kavalamyself' post='1914375' date='Jul 8 2009, 02:26 PM']Does anybody else here miss the old habits with the guimpe? Why did they change? As for their soaps, I think I will try the grapefruit. I love the fresh, clean smell of grapefruit, especially Creed's![/quote] I believe that the upkeep of the guimpe became too much after they made a foundation and lost several sisters (it would get yellowed in summer and had to be properly taken care of which took a lot of time). There was actually a thread some ways back about this very subject. I'll see if I can dig it up for you. I love Summit. Wonderful, wonderful place, with a gorgeous chapel. I'm fortunate enough to be able to take the train there (well, two trains) and it's pretty high on my lists for both discernment and general admiration.
FiereMargriet Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Ah, found it. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/lofiversion/index.php/t57433.html"]The thread[/url] is actually talking about the wimple/coif so I guess that's different from the guimpe (is it? pardon my ignorance--is it that the guimpe is the kind of collar around/below the neck and the wimple is around the head?) but it's very interesting, and well-reasoned. I must say when I first started discerning an OP vocation I thought the white habits were not as aesthetically pleasing as the brown and white of the Carmelites or Franciscans, two orders whose habits looked very well "balanced." Now that I feel more Dominican, however, I appreciate the tradition and beauty of the white habit! Let's just hope I can keep it clean!
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 8, 2009 Author Posted July 8, 2009 Yes, the clean part is also a thing I worried about But as you can see in the pictures, the sisters have all kinds of tricks to deal with it, with over-sleeves, aprons...
DameAgnes Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) To be honest, I find the Dominican habit w/old fashioned guimpe to be a bit fussy and bundled looking; frumpy. I think all of the Dominican sisters look really fine in their "modern" veils. The soaps and lotions are all great. I esp. love the oatmeal soap - great for my oily skin and it has a lovely scent - and the rosarium mariae, which smells like...roses! Edited July 8, 2009 by DameAgnes
Thomist-in-Training Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It's fun to tease Cistercians by telling them they look like Dominican lay-brothers! Of course, only so many people have this wonderful opportunity...
VeniteAdoremus Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 [quote name='Thomist-in-Training' post='1914822' date='Jul 9 2009, 03:17 AM']It's fun to tease Cistercians by telling them they look like Dominican lay-brothers! Of course, only so many people have this wonderful opportunity...[/quote] Ooooh, the little brother of a friend of mine is becoming a Trappist next year... They miss the cape, though. Maybe I should make him one This is also, by the way, why St. Martin de Porres has a black scapular on his holy card. But I don't know of a province where the lay brothers wear a different scapular. Not in Australia, England, or the US, in any case. Germany maybe (I think I saw a glimpse of one once). I like the Summit modified veils best! But I like almost all modified veils... except the ones in my community And most "full package sets" are very pretty too, although those of... what's that place where what's her name entered? That's just starting to grow, with two professed sisters? Also gorgeous, but their neck band looks so tight, I can't believe that's comfortable!
osapientia Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1915397' date='Jul 9 2009, 05:27 AM']Ooooh, the little brother of a friend of mine is becoming a Trappist next year... They miss the cape, though. Maybe I should make him one [/quote] The Trappist Juniors wear an off white cape....and pardon me for being OH SO VERY, OSB but NOTHING beats the monastic cowl. IMHO. *edited for typo Edited July 9, 2009 by osapientia
she_who_is_not Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 [quote name='osapientia' post='1915717' date='Jul 9 2009, 12:20 PM']The Trappist Juniors wear an off white cape....and pardon me for being OH SO VERY, OSB but NOTHING beats the monastic cowl. IMHO. *edited for typo[/quote] I love the cowl and the cucilla
puellapaschalis Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 [quote name='she_who_is_not' post='1915728' date='Jul 9 2009, 07:27 PM']I love the cowl and the cucilla [/quote] Now I'm wondering what the difference between the two is...
osapientia Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 [quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1915967' date='Jul 9 2009, 04:36 PM']Now I'm wondering what the difference between the two is... [/quote] Actually there is no difference. Cowl/cuculla - same thing. Monks' cuculla has a hood.
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