Bull Riding, Base Jumping, Extreme Sports In General

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1939242' date='Aug 2 2009, 08:32 PM']If it is within your physical capabilities, and you don't have dependents who are financially dependent on your continuing to breathe, not a sin.[/quote]
Yeah this.

[quote name='Terra Firma' post='1939707' date='Aug 3 2009, 12:21 PM']Knowingly engaging in a potentially deadly activity, done primarily (if not exclusively) for the thrill you get out of it, without regard for the consequences of your actions ... it is not necessarily sinful, but it could well be selfish. Go much farther down that road and you could well be entering "sin" territory.[/quote]
and this.

[cmotherofpirl]

Picchick
You know, walking down the street can get you killed...is it a sin?

Terra Firma
Seriously?
The risk is, of course, much different. If you don't check your shoelaces before you go for a walk, the worst that might happen is a broken wrist (or maybe a hip). Not likely death.


[color="#0000FF"]Cmom
I think this depends on your neighborhood.[/color]

[CatherineM]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1939747' date='Aug 3 2009, 01:06 PM'][color="#0000FF"]Cmom
I think this depends on your neighborhood.[/color][/quote]

Yep. I also live in one of those neighborhoods. We haven't had a stabbing yet this month, but it's been too hot.

[txdinghysailor]

Well I love doing dangerous stuff to get the adrenaline going, so I guess I'm just a terrible sinner.... lol

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1939610' date='Aug 3 2009, 06:52 AM']What do you pull backflips off of? And don't get me wrong, I totally agree with you, like, I do crazy stuff too, but it's just some people don't get it.[/quote]

50 ft ropeswing. off a cliff, over land then out into the water.


also i just got back from cliff jumping.

[txdinghysailor]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1939855' date='Aug 3 2009, 05:34 PM']50 ft ropeswing. off a cliff, over land then out into the water.


also i just got back from cliff jumping.[/quote]

oh right, that sounds like fun.

I went cliff jumping in France. Tons of fun. 40-45 ft cliffs into the ocean. Best part was trying to climb back up the cliffs with the waves breaking over you and alternately trying to pull you away and then smash you into the barnacled rocks. Tons of fun...

[Hassan]

[quote name='Selah' post='1939619' date='Aug 3 2009, 08:34 AM']As long as you are being safe and not doing anything stupid, like, say, parachuting with a weight instead of a parachute, it should be fine [/quote]


Is that a bad idea?

[Jesus_lol]

sounds awesome. these ones were just into glacial river. small deep area to land in, highest you could go from was abut 25-30ft up i think. i did. otherwise you have to clear a huge gap and land in a really smll area to go higher.,
man my first jump was a dive and i havent dived from that high without it being from a ropeswing(which i am really good at doing from like 30 35 ft up.) so i kinda messed it up and over rotated, almost did back flop.

my worst wipeout was trying to do a double sideflip(like a cartwheel) from about 25 30 ft up on a ropeswing and way overrotating onto my face. ive got a video of me doing the same thing with a double backflip on FB if you wanna see.

[Hassan]

Skydiving is, I'm pretty sure, safer than driving a car.

[txdinghysailor]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1939872' date='Aug 3 2009, 05:47 PM']sounds awesome. these ones were just into glacial river. small deep area to land in, highest you could go from was abut 25-30ft up i think. i did. otherwise you have to clear a huge gap and land in a really smll area to go higher.,
man my first jump was a dive and i havent dived from that high without it being from a ropeswing(which i am really good at doing from like 30 35 ft up.) so i kinda messed it up and over rotated, almost did back flop.

my worst wipeout was trying to do a double sideflip(like a cartwheel) from about 25 30 ft up on a ropeswing and way overrotating onto my face. ive got a video of me doing the same thing with a double backflip on FB if you wanna see.[/quote]

Sweet yeah I wanna see! I'm not that big into flips and stuff. I mostly just mountain bike and rock climb.

[Hassan]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1939572' date='Aug 3 2009, 03:54 AM']edit: to dinghysailor, if i didnt do the thing i wanted to do and didnt take risks, what life am i risking?[/quote]


bingo.


I don't take stupid risks but you've got to live. It's the only way you can appreciate anything.

I mean have you ever been out in rough seas while a thunder storm is coming in? Dengerous, but absolutly beautiful.

[Hassan]

[quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1939878' date='Aug 3 2009, 03:50 PM']and rock climb.[/quote]


Sweet. I've always wanted to get into that.

[Lilllabettt]

[quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1939841' date='Aug 3 2009, 05:23 PM']Well I love doing dangerous stuff to get the adrenaline going, so I guess I'm just a terrible sinner.... lol[/quote]


May I ask why you keep asking this question about extreme stuff?

You've asked it at least twice before that I can remember.

Me and some other people chime in with "well, there could be a problem with it."

And your response is, then, as now:

oh well, guess i'm a siinner then, har har har.

Is your conscience bothering you or something? Because you've already had this question answered from a bunch of different viewpoints. Why keep asking if you're getting the same answers and your response is just a shoulder shrug?

Just wondering.

[txdinghysailor]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1939888' date='Aug 3 2009, 06:02 PM']bingo.


I don't take stupid risks but you've got to live. It's the only way you can appreciate anything.

I mean have you ever been out in rough seas while a thunder storm is coming in? Dengerous, but absolutly beautiful.[/quote]

Dude I sailed across the Atlantic Ocean on a 295' square rigged sailboat. We had to sail through thunderstorms. Biggest one we had we got 40-50 knot winds and 20 ft seas.

And rock climbing is tons of fun, but be warned, you'll tear your fingers to shreds and there's a good chance you'll hurt your tendons and muscles in the fingers.

[Hassan]

[quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1939893' date='Aug 3 2009, 05:05 PM']Dude I sailed across the Atlantic Ocean on a 295' square rigged sailboat. We had to sail through thunderstorms. Biggest one we had we got 40-50 knot winds and 20 ft seas.[/quote]


Wow. I've never done anything like that. I've always enjoyed being out in rough seas but that might be a bit much.

[quote]And rock climbing is tons of fun, but be warned, you'll tear your fingers to shreds and there's a good chance you'll hurt your tendons and muscles in the fingers. [/quote]


Yeah. I know. But it still seems fun. I'd also really like to get back into repelling.

[txdinghysailor]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1939907' date='Aug 3 2009, 06:12 PM']Wow. I've never done anything like that. I've always enjoyed being out in rough seas but that might be a bit much.




Yeah. I know. But it still seems fun. I'd also really like to get back into repelling.[/quote]

What's even more fun is being out in a small sailboat, mine is 17' long, in big waves and big wind. If you get going fast enough you can plane, and then surf down the big waves. most amazing experience in the entire world.

[jumpfrog]

I've thought a lot about this too...I am a SCUBA diver, and I love to go down and look at fish and reefs.

SCUBA is safe enough, if you do all your checks etc...but it is still risky, and if anything goes wrong at 30 meters, you are in BIG trouble. Often the deadly things that go wrong are things that cannot be controlled, except by not putting yourself in that situation. I have had one close call (and that was at the surface). I have been at a resort where a young bride was killed on one of her first few dives. It is pretty sobering. Trust me, you don't really end up feeling "at least I'm going out doing something I love." That is a big lie that survivors comfort themselves with. The reality is you realize what a incredibly foolish person you are to have been reckless with your one and only life.

I think that the whole "living life to the fullest" can be a load of croutons, and a feeble excuse to go one living exactly how you choose. People taking potentially deadly risks for a rush or to be able to tell about their exciting experiences? I have been taught that we are saved in order to serve. How can we take a chance of cutting our service short by self-indulgent risky actions? Sure, driving a car can be dangerous, but driving is usually done for the thrill, but for nessecity.

Thrill-seeking is living for the pleasures of the world, I can't see that it is anything more than that, particularly when we love those things so much that we would take an exagerated risk on our lives for the sake of them.

For me, it doesn't add up. I am not so free to spend my life as I see fit, not now that I have been baptised. So I don't dive anymore, even though I really miss it.

Furthermore, many of these kinds of risky hobbies can be expensive...and is this kind of pleasure really an appropriate thing to spend a lot of money on? I could not justify this to myself, either. If I have that kind of money to throw around, there are probably better uses for it.

[rachael]

[quote name='jumpfrog' post='1940038' date='Aug 3 2009, 07:47 PM']I've thought a lot about this too...I am a SCUBA diver, and I love to go down and look at fish and reefs.

SCUBA is safe enough, if you do all your checks etc...but it is still risky, and if anything goes wrong at 30 meters, you are in BIG trouble. Often the deadly things that go wrong are things that cannot be controlled, except by not putting yourself in that situation. I have had one close call (and that was at the surface). I have been at a resort where a young bride was killed on one of her first few dives. It is pretty sobering. Trust me, you don't really end up feeling "at least I'm going out doing something I love." That is a big lie that survivors comfort themselves with. The reality is you realize what a incredibly foolish person you are to have been reckless with your one and only life.

I think that the whole "living life to the fullest" can be a load of croutons, and a feeble excuse to go one living exactly how you choose. People taking potentially deadly risks for a rush or to be able to tell about their exciting experiences? I have been taught that we are saved in order to serve. How can we take a chance of cutting our service short by self-indulgent risky actions? Sure, driving a car can be dangerous, but driving is usually done for the thrill, but for nessecity.

Thrill-seeking is living for the pleasures of the world, I can't see that it is anything more than that, particularly when we love those things so much that we would take an exagerated risk on our lives for the sake of them.

For me, it doesn't add up. I am not so free to spend my life as I see fit, not now that I have been baptised. So I don't dive anymore, even though I really miss it.

Furthermore, many of these kinds of risky hobbies can be expensive...and is this kind of pleasure really an appropriate thing to spend a lot of money on? I could not justify this to myself, either. If I have that kind of money to throw around, there are probably better uses for it.[/quote]
Yes, but what is truly wrong with living life to the fullest? What commandment is it going against? I have epilepsy and could die at any moment from a full-blown seizure...why shouldn't I live life to the fullest? What should I hoard my money for (this is assuming I've gotten all my other finances taken care of)?

[Sojourner]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1939747' date='Aug 3 2009, 02:06 PM']Picchick
You know, walking down the street can get you killed...is it a sin?

Terra Firma
Seriously?
The risk is, of course, much different. If you don't check your shoelaces before you go for a walk, the worst that might happen is a broken wrist (or maybe a hip). Not likely death.


[color="#0000FF"]Cmom
I think this depends on your neighborhood.[/color][/quote]
True. But, the difference, I think, is that one could be a matter of necessity (walking in a bad neighborhood to get to work) while the other is almost never necessary, outside the armed forces or some unfortunate air disaster in which leaping from a plane is safer than staying on it.

[quote name='jumpfrog' post='1940038' date='Aug 3 2009, 07:47 PM']I've thought a lot about this too...I am a SCUBA diver, and I love to go down and look at fish and reefs.

SCUBA is safe enough, if you do all your checks etc...but it is still risky, and if anything goes wrong at 30 meters, you are in BIG trouble. Often the deadly things that go wrong are things that cannot be controlled, except by not putting yourself in that situation. I have had one close call (and that was at the surface). I have been at a resort where a young bride was killed on one of her first few dives. It is pretty sobering. Trust me, you don't really end up feeling "at least I'm going out doing something I love." That is a big lie that survivors comfort themselves with. The reality is you realize what a incredibly foolish person you are to have been reckless with your one and only life.

I think that the whole "living life to the fullest" can be a load of croutons, and a feeble excuse to go one living exactly how you choose. People taking potentially deadly risks for a rush or to be able to tell about their exciting experiences? I have been taught that we are saved in order to serve. How can we take a chance of cutting our service short by self-indulgent risky actions? Sure, driving a car can be dangerous, but driving is usually done for the thrill, but for nessecity.

Thrill-seeking is living for the pleasures of the world, I can't see that it is anything more than that, particularly when we love those things so much that we would take an exagerated risk on our lives for the sake of them.

For me, it doesn't add up. I am not so free to spend my life as I see fit, not now that I have been baptised. So I don't dive anymore, even though I really miss it.

Furthermore, many of these kinds of risky hobbies can be expensive...and is this kind of pleasure really an appropriate thing to spend a lot of money on? I could not justify this to myself, either. If I have that kind of money to throw around, there are probably better uses for it.[/quote]
Thanks for this. A very eloquent and thoughtful answer.

[quote name='rachael' post='1940140' date='Aug 3 2009, 09:54 PM']Yes, but what is truly wrong with living life to the fullest? What commandment is it going against? I have epilepsy and could die at any moment from a full-blown seizure...why shouldn't I live life to the fullest? What should I hoard my money for (this is assuming I've gotten all my other finances taken care of)?[/quote]
Sorry to break it to you, but we're all pretty much in the same boat. Any of us could drop dead at any moment due to foreseeable or unforeseeable circumstances. That in and of itself does not absolve you of the responsibility for prudential management of the resources available to you -- your time, talent, and treasure. None of us know what tomorrow brings; we are responsible for how we handle what we know right now.

And who's to say that constantly seeking after the next big adrenaline rush is living life to the fullest? You're just skimming along the surface of life if that's what you're chasing.

I wasn't a thrill-seeker, per se, but when I was covering cops for a daily newspaper there was lots of fast-paced, adrenaline-rush-inducing stuff happening. That kind of lifestyle doesn't allow you to do much in the way of building meaningful relationships and experiencing the true depth and beauty of life.

And I don't think we have to choose between either spending money recklessly or hoarding it for the future. There are so many charitable options available that money could be used for.

[CatherineM]

I used to be a thrill seeker, and after I was almost killed, I have been forced to be somewhat more careful. Not that anyone would let me skydive, what with the crutch and all.