Gag Order On Sister Lucia

[phatcatholic]

you make it difficult to be charitable, bruce.........

[Jake Huether]

[quote name='Bruce S' date='Apr 2 2004, 03:02 PM']
Err, isn't that one BACKWARDS?

Or does the Catholic Church control heaven nowadays too, in addition to this site?

Wouldn't heaven ITSELF determine what "comes down" if ANYTHING ever really does "come down" from the highest?

PS: The entire "Appararition Thing" makes Pentecostal excesses seem tame...

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Bruce just stop and think about the posts before you respond.

I didn't mean to say that the Church tells heaven what to send down. If Heaven sends down a message, the Church is the only Authority that can determine what it is that the message means.

The Catholic Church doesn't control heaven. She is the Body of Christ. She mediates between Heaven and us. Without the Church we could not be sure of what is from Heaven and what is from Hell. You yourself read the passage about Satan showing as an angel of light. If the Church didn't exist, there would be no Bible for you to have read that!


The Church determines for us what comes down from heaven. I'm not using "determine" as in "mandates". Like I determine who does the dishes tonight. The Church determines, as in, if my boss tells me what to do, I must determine what his intent is in order for me to do it right.

I'm using this definition:

: to find out or come to a decision about by investigation, reasoning, or calculation <determine the answer to the problem> <determine a position at sea>



You are thinking of this definition:

: to bring about as a result


But somehow I think you knew that...



And FYI, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't control this site.

It seems to me you need to do some research and understand what exactly the Roman Catholic Church is.

[Bruce S]

[quote]I didn't mean to say that the Church tells heaven what to send down. If Heaven sends down a message, the Church is the only Authority that can determine what it is that the message means.
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Err... AGAIN.

IF there came a TRUE MESSAGE DOWN FROM HEAVEN, would NOT the message ITSELF be "Authoritative?" Or is the INTERPRETATION **OF** more important than the direct WORDS RENDERED TO?

Come on now, get this one right. I'm sort of serious on this, for a change, for some of these "Apparitions" SEEM VERY VERY provable, and for a flaming Protestant they ARE or are NOT.

So, carefully respond...please.

Who determines the TRUTH, the APPARITION ITSELF, and THE DIRECT WORDS IT RENDERS, or the Church here on earth "receiving them?"

[Bruce S]

[quote]You are right that the Pope cannot disobey a command from heaven.[/quote]

Several HAVE, done just that, DISOBEYED the command to RELEASE the 3rd Prophecy of Fatima, by date X, and date X, passed LONG after "Mary" told the church to proclaim "Her" message, a DIRECT COMMAND.

So that statment is "Newman Style" inoperative former truth, right?

Smooch.

[Jake Huether]

[quote]Who determines the TRUTH, the APPARITION ITSELF, and THE DIRECT WORDS IT RENDERS, or the Church here on earth "receiving them?" [/quote]


The Church here on earth, "receiving them".


Otherwise we, the people, would not know.



The pope cannot disobey a command from heaven, in his Teachings on Faith and Morals.


Sorry. I guess I have to be explicit every time.


Bruce,

I give up...

God bless you on your search for the Truth - if that is what you are here for.