Worldly Television, Films, Series And Video Games Is Sinful

[Winchester]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='28 September 2009 - 04:12 PM' timestamp='1254168738' post='1973897']
dont know if you were talking to me there winchester bout "your thinking only republicans go to hell" but thats not what i think at all
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I know, you also save room for Andy Rooney fans.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='28 September 2009 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1254172076' post='1973915']
sacredheartandbloodofjesus

Neither have you yet fully understood, or maybe I have expressed my self poorly. Lord of the Rings are definitively evil. Wizardry and magic,superpowers and fighting, this is just like with anime or other evil worldly movies and series, but worse still, since Lord of the Rings has a LOT of Catholic symbolism, its disguise itself in wolfs clothing, making people think, that just because its has catholic symbolism, that it would be right or even good for ones soul. Don't be deceived, satan is the prince of this world, and nothing more deceived and brainwashes people then evil media and video games and the worldly school system. Worldly moviesand series are not only dangerous from what it contains, but more sofrom what it produce in the soul. Lord of the rings is spiritual poison for the soul, it does not drag your mind toward Godly things but only toward the world. I can promise you that the books Saint Theresa was reading delighting in, was nothing even the least in comparison of the fantasy and evil of Lord of the rings.

The more unreal and the more fantasy a film or book is, the more your mind be fixed in trying to understand things outside of this world which is not, firstly, real, and secondly, which is not not of God, which clouds your mind even more against God, since God is neither of this world. To be able to unite with God in this life, we must empty ourself of all, not even thinking of anything of this world, being completely empty, this is how one starts to unite with God in this life. I cannot express this very well, read St. Johns of the Cross writings, it explains it all.
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I can understand this outlook if you havent the strength to be able to recognize the good philosophy and theology behind the symbols of LOTR, then you shouldnt read it. But remember that St. Johns Apocalypse is full of symbolism that seems like phantasy. You just have to be able to interpret it properly. I personally have never read LOTR, but Peter Kreeft(a very good and orthodox roman catholic philosopher) has spoken very well of the series.

By the way lil red [b]J[/b]imminy [b]C[/b]ricket. J.C. If thats what you were trying to express, I got it.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='28 September 2009 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1254174235' post='1973938']By the way lil red [b]J[/b]imminy [b]C[/b]ricket. J.C. If thats what you were trying to express, I got it.[/quote]
you've got to stop drinking outta the bottle marked crazy juice

that's a joke. btw.

[Not A Mallard]

I'm leaving.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Not A Mallard

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='28 September 2009 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1254169628' post='1973902']
+J.M.J.+
it was a joke. lighten up. besides, a grasshopper isn't God.
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You and I think too much alike sometimes.


[quote name='Lil Red' date='28 September 2009 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1254177201' post='1973952']
you've got to stop drinking outta the bottle marked crazy juice

that's a joke. btw.
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[perfectunion33]

Faith in God, the only One, leads us to use everything that is not God only insofar as it brings us closer to Him, and to detach ourselves from it insofar as it turns us away from Him. (CCC-226) CCC meaning from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

And what does Jesus and the Church have to say about the world?

This dramatic situation of "the whole world which is in power of the evil one" makes mans life a battle (CCC-409)

[i]"[/i]All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God, sinneth not: but the generation of God preserveth him, and the wicked one toucheth him not. We know that we are of God, and [u]the whole world is seated in wickedness[/u]. And we know that the Son of God is come: and he hath given us understanding that we may know the true God, and may be in his true Son. This is the true God and life eternal." (1 John 5:17-20)

[i]"[/i]Again the devil took him up into a very high mountain, and [u]showed him all the kingdoms of the world[/u], and the glory of them, And said to him: All these will I give thee, if falling down thou wilt adore me. Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve." (Matt. 4:8-10)

[i]"[/i]And he that received the seed among thorns, is he that heareth the word, and the cares of this [u]world[/u] and the deceitfulness of riches choketh up the word, and he becometh fruitless." (Matt. 13:22)

"For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole [u]world[/u], and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?" (Matt. 16:26)

[i]"[/i]The [u]world[/u] cannot hate you; but me it hateth: because I give testimony of it, that the works thereof are evil." (John 7:7)

[i]"[/i]If the world hate you, know ye, that it hath hated me before you. If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they have kept my word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for my name's sake: because they know not him who sent me. If I had not come, and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. He that hateth me, hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no other man hath done, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated both me and my Father. But that the word may be fulfilled which is written in their law: They hated me without cause. But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. And you shall give testimony, because you are with me from the beginning. (John 15:18-27)These things have I spoken to you, that you may not be scandalized. They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God. And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things I have told you, that when the hour shall come, you may remember that I told you of them. But I told you not these things from the beginning, because I was with you. And now I go to him that sent me, and none of you asketh me: Whither goest thou? But because I have spoken these things to you, sorrow hath filled your heart. But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, [u]he will convince the world of sin[/u], and of justice, and of judgment. Of sin: because they believed not in me. And of justice: because I go to the Father; and you shall see me no longer. "He will convince the world of sin"... The Holy Ghost, by his coming brought over many thousands, first, to a sense of their sin in not believing in Christ. Secondly, to a conviction of the justice of Christ, now sitting at the right hand of his Father. And thirdly, to a right apprehension of the judgment prepared for them that choose to follow Satan, who is already judged and condemned. And of judgment: because the prince of this world is already judged. I have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now. But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he [u]will teach you all truth[/u]. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you. He shall glorify me; because he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it to you. All things whatsoever the Father hath, are mine. Therefore I said, that he shall receive of mine, and shew it to you." (John 16:1-15)

[perfectunion33]

It seems to me that the majority of those on phatmass have given themselves over to the spirit of the world and are no longer convicted of what is a sin or not. I observe on this site that many times people are awarded positive points for vain and sometimes sinful comments, while those who are faithful to the Truth's of the Faith are given negative points. This is a Catholic site, right, so then why is it that when someone tries to encourage one another to a higher level of sanctity, do you persecute them? St. Paul himself tells us to admonish and encourage one another in the Faith in order to lead each other closer to Jesus Christ. Is this a bad or good thing?

[perfectunion33]

The Truth is that the statements made have convicted you, which is a good thing, because conviction of the Truth and of sin is a Divine opperation of the Holy Spirit, which you all have received on the day of your Baptism. Jesus Himself said[i], "[/i]But I tell you the truth: it is expedient to you that I go: for if I go not, the Paraclete will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. And when he is come, [u]he will convince the world of sin[/u], and of justice, and of judgment." (John 16:7-8)

[Laudate_Dominum]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[Kitty]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='28 September 2009 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1254172076' post='1973915']
Lord of the Rings are definitively evil.
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[Lil Red]

[quote name='perfectunion33' date='28 September 2009 - 06:14 PM' timestamp='1254183293' post='1974002']
It seems to me that the majority of those on phatmass have given themselves over to the spirit of the world and are no longer convicted of what is a sin or not. I observe on this site that many times people are awarded positive points for vain and sometimes sinful comments, while those who are faithful to the Truth's of the Faith are given negative points. This is a Catholic site, right, so then why is it that when someone tries to encourage one another to a higher level of sanctity, do you persecute them? St. Paul himself tells us to admonish and encourage one another in the Faith in order to lead each other closer to Jesus Christ. Is this a bad or good thing?
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+J.M.J.+
perhaps phatmass is not the site for you then? we like to have fun here, and joke. don't take everything so seriously.

do you realize that some or most of us live where we are the ONLY Catholics who are faithful to the Church and Her teachings (and thereby Jesus Christ), that we live amongst 'Catholics' who don't see anything wrong with birth control or abortion or they think that the Pope is just some 'old man in Rome who tries to tell us what to do'? that phatmass has become for us a refuge from the world and from battling on all fronts? we (most of us, i will not speak for all) come here yes, to be lifted up and edified, but we do not come here to be judged on our holiness by whether we wear make up or pants (yes we've had that debate before) or because we see good things in the songs and movies of this world.

the point system is currently being debated - if you have a problem with it, email the webmaster, dUSt, about it. he's the one who instituted it. phatmass@gmail.com

God bless you.

[jmjtina]

Most of today's world is driven by all things sensual. Commercials, etc and guarding ones eyes is one thing while avoiding them altogether is near impossible. (look at how people dress) We can be in the world, but not of the world, which many are living and it isn't easy.

However, saying the Lord of the Rings is sinful to watch throws all arguments out the door and all we have is a fundamentalist or someone who is interpreting their own bible.

As far as positive points and negative points go, I could care less. Saying that many on phatmass have "given themselves over to the spirit of the world" and saying we are persecuting someone for calling everyone to a higher sanctity is ceasing to look at this objectively. This isn't a call to help us to a "higher sanctity" (which we are all for) but a "your damned to hell" fundamentalist statement. I could go on and on, but I won't argue with someone who thinks we are going to hell for watching Lord of the Rings. I know a brick wall when I see it. There is no honest dialogue.

I'm willing to see some of the good in the post as well as the bad, but if you can't recognize the red flag in error of someone's extreme religious view and and call them out on the carpet for real dialogue rather than stating what you say is "truth" and then posting bible verses out of context is absurd.

Taking out bible verses out of context and damning us to hell during an argument.

talk about deja vu.

Edited September 29, 2009 by jmjtina

[Jesus_lol]

i like the points system myself. one other system that the mods might want to look at is on in use one one of the motorcycle forums i visit. its a "thanks"button. when people say things that are (in the case of the motorcycle, mechanically sound, good advice, etc) in line with accepted teachings, or just good advice, people thanks them, and under the post being thanked is a list of members that thanked the poster for what he said.
check out the forum if interested.,

http://www.fz6-forum.com/forum/index.php

i like the points system, but some times it is weird in funny ways. case in point earlier in the thread, winchester says something "lose your credibility when you say LOTR is satanic" and gets 2 positive points, then i agree completely and get a negative point.

[jmjtina]

you like the point system but not when people give you a negative point?

again, i could care less about what I get via point system, but you are missing the point of the thread. if you agree completely with the original poster, it's not about "truth" but about, again, the "damned to hell" fundamentalist statements.

but that's okay.

Maybe my posts are ninja posts and can only be seen by other ninjas.