Worldly Television, Films, Series And Video Games Is Sinful

[Paddington]

[quote name='perfectunion33' date='29 September 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1254252366' post='1974396']
Anyway before I reveal my soul on phatmass, for I have already said way too much,[/quote]



[quote name='perfectunion33' date='29 September 2009 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1254252366' post='1974396']
I just want you and all the people on here to know that I really truly do love you, [/quote]

Thanks.

Edited September 29, 2009 by Paddington

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='29 September 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1254264177' post='1974507']
An atheist enjoys the Feast of the Presentation?

What do you know!
[/quote]

do we tell him Varg?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Varg' date='29 September 2009 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1254259866' post='1974471']
It's called
[img]http://www.ireland-map.co.uk/maps/physical-map-of-ireland.gif[/img]
[img]http://11.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kokz78I9981qzaqpso1_400.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.drwaltlowe.com/attachments/contentmanagers/4/knee-anatomy.jpg[/img]

But whatever.
[/quote]
That took time. I like it. Eire. sweet.

[Varg]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='30 September 2009 - 04:01 AM' timestamp='1254297719' post='1974737']
do we tell him Varg?
[/quote]Hmmm...I say let him guess a bit more

[perfectunion33]

I have a confession to make to you my brothers and sisters in Christ here on Phatmass. I have made some poor judgements of others, and worst of all, I have made many hasty generalizations. It is true that there are occasions were makeup could be used ordinately for the love of God through their neighbor. I also do not personally think that makeup is intrinsically evil, however, I do believe that many times makeup is used inordinately for self-love rather than love of God. I ask that you will all forgive me for my sins against you and our All-Loving God.

I also would like to suggest that we all calm down and look past this topic on makeup. I never really meant all the focus to be on the use of makeup, but actually all created things and the proper uses thereof. This upcoming Friday is the first Friday of the month, I suggest that we should all spend a good hour in silent reflection examing our conscience and asking God to illumine our intellects to what we can change in our lives to most please Him. Then let us all go to confession in order to make atonement for our sins and reparation to the Most Sacred Heart of our Lord Jesus Christ. Let our amendments be firm in order to take one step closer to reaching perfect union with Him. Once again, please let us move on from this subject and reconcile with one another. You are all in my prayers and I love you very much. God be with each and every one of you.

Your brother in Christ,
Michael

[perfectunion33]

Just to clarify a few things:

(CCC-377) The "mastery" over the world that God offered man from the beginning was realized above all within man himself: mastery of self. The first man was unimpaired and ordered in his whole being because he was free from the triple concupiscence254 that subjugates him to the pleasures of the senses, covetousness for earthly goods, and self-assertion, contrary to the dictates of reason.

254 Cf. 1 John 2:16. "for all that is in the world—the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, the pride in riches—comes not from the Father but from the world."

(CCC-226) It means making good use of created things: faith in God, the only One, leads us to use everything that is not God only insofar as it brings us closer to him, and to detach ourselves from it insofar as it turns us away from him:

My Lord and my God, take from me everything that distances me from you.
My Lord and my God, give me everything that brings me closer to you.
My Lord and my God, detach me from myself to give my all to you.51

51 St. Nicholas the Flue; cf Mt. 5:29-30 "If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell."; Mt. 16:24-26 "Then Jesus told his disciples, ‘If any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it. For what will it profit them if they gain the whole world but forfeit their life? Or what will they give in return for their life?"

2521 Purity requires modesty, an integral part of temperance. Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of persons and their solidarity.

2522 Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one's choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.

426 "At the heart of catechesis we find, in essence, a Person, the Person of Jesus of Nazareth, the only Son from the Father. . .who suffered and died for us and who now, after rising, is living with us forever."13 To catechize is "to reveal in the Person of Christ the whole of God's eternal design reaching fulfillment in that Person. It is to seek to understand the meaning of Christ's actions and words and of the signs worked by him."'14 Catechesis aims at putting "people . . . in communion . . . with Jesus Christ: only he can lead us to the love of the Father in the Spirit and make us share in the life of the Holy Trinity."15

427 In catechesis "Christ, the Incarnate Word and Son of God,. . . is taught - everything else is taught with reference to him - and it is Christ alone who teaches - anyone else teaches to the extent that he is Christ's spokesman, enabling Christ to teach with his lips. . . Every catechist should be able to apply to himself the mysterious words of Jesus: 'My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.'"16

428 Whoever is called "to teach Christ" must first seek "the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus"; he must suffer "the loss of all things. . ." in order to "gain Christ and be found in him", and "to know him and the power of his resurrection, and [to] share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that if possible [he] may attain the resurrection from the dead".17 429 From this loving knowledge of Christ springs the desire to proclaim him, to "evangelize", and to lead others to the "yes" of faith in Jesus Christ. But at the same time the need to know this faith better makes itself felt. To this end, following the order of the Creed, Jesus' principal titles - "Christ", "Son of God", and "Lord" (article 2) - will be presented. The Creed next confesses the chief mysteries of his life - those of his Incarnation (article 3), Paschal mystery (articles 4 and 5) and glorification (articles 6 and 7).

409 This dramatic situation of "the whole world [which] is in the power of the evil one"[sup]302[/sup] makes man's life a battle:

The whole of man's history has been the story of dour combat with the powers of evil, stretching, so our Lord tells us, from the very dawn of history until the last day. Finding himself in the midst of the battlefield man has to struggle to do what is right, and it is at great cost to himself, and aided by God's grace, that he succeeds in achieving his own inner integrity.[sup]303

302 1 John 5:19 "[/sup]We know that we are God’s children, and that the whole world lies under the power of the evil one."; cf 1 Peter 5:8 "Discipline yourselves; keep alert. Like a roaring lion your adversary the devil prowls around, looking for someone to devour."

All of this stated up above is straight from the Catechism, and the Scriptures are not personal interpretations, but the Church's interpretation and can be found in the footnotes of your Catechism. If anyone for any reason does not agree with these Doctrinal Teachings of the Church, please do not agrue with me but take it up with our Holy Father in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI, and Jesus Christ Himself.

[Guest]

I haven't read all the replies but here's my 2 cents. I used to be real judgemental of hiphop music and I started judging the artist and the culture and basically making myself feel holier and "better" if you will. Even though I was struggling with the same sins that these artist rap about and some glorify. By doing this I thought I was being faithfull to God by waging this "war" if you will and drawing a line between who's on the good side and who's on the bad. Years later I realise this is the complete opposite of what God wants. God doesn't want christians who point figers while proclaiming themselves holier then the others. He want's us to be faithfull and for our good works to shine light on the darkness and therefore expose the works of darkness. So as far as art goes on tv, movies, and music, yes, some is blatenly sinfull and fully against what God stands for. But there are others where it's to much of a grey area to determine that it's " evil" and to be condemned to hell along with the authors, actors, producers, songwriters, ect ect ect involved in the art. What one has to do is figure out for themselves where that line is drawn and not put a stumbling block before others who may have a weaker concscience.

One more thing, as I said above there are examples of music, tv, movies that are blatenly sinfull and we should speak out against those things. But we shouldn't let that make ourselves feel holier then thou and pass judgement on those who are involved. As the bible says judgment starts in the Church so we should look to ourselves and our own faults. I am guilty of this and I'm glad God has corrected me and showed me where I was wrong.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Guest

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='30 September 2009 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1254340310' post='1975003']
I haven't read all the replies but here's my 2 cents. I used to be real judgemental of hiphop music and I started judging the artist and the cultures and therefore making myself feel holier and "better" if you will. Even though I was struggling with the same sins that these artist rap about and some glorify. By doing this I thought I was being faithfull to God by waging this "war" if you will and drawing a line between who's on the good side and who's on the bad. Years later I realise this is the complete opposite of what God wants. God doesn't want christians who point figers while proclaiming themselves holier then the others. H[b]e want's us to be faithfull and for our good works to shine light on the darkness and therefore expose the works of darkness.[/b] So as far as art goes on tv, movies, and music, yes, some is blatenly sinfull and fully against what God stands for. But there are others where it's to much of a grey area to determine that it's " evil" and to be condemned to hell along with the authors, actors, producers, songwriters, ect ect ect involved in the art. What one has to do is figure out for themselves where that line is drawn and not put a stumbling block before others who may have a weaker concscience.

One more thing, as I said above there are examples of music, tv, movies that are blatenly sinfull and we should speak out against those things. But we shouldn't let that make ourselves feel holier then thou and pass judgement on those who are involved. As the bible says judgment starts in the Church so we should look to ourselves and our own faults. I am guilty of this and I'm glad God has corrected me and showed me where I was wrong.
[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
if i had any positive votes to give out right now, you'd totally get one. especially for the bolded sentence above.

[Guest]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='30 September 2009 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1254340411' post='1975005']
+J.M.J.+
if i had any positive votes to give out right now, you'd totally get one. especially for the bolded sentence above.
[/quote]

Thank you Lil Red.

[Hietanen]

Maybe you should wake up and realize that most people are damned. Few find the way to life, and fewer still even this close to the end. Maybe the realization on the fewness of the saved will open your eyes, so that you do start to take your eternal salvation seriously! There is a perfect reason why all the Saints completely renounced the world and all of its pleasures.



[b]Please go to this thread which deals on this very subject![/b]


[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985[/url]

[Guest]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='30 September 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1254343628' post='1975050']
Maybe you should wake up and realize that most people are damned. Few find the way to life, and fewer still even this close to the end. Maybe the realization on the fewness of the saved will open your eyes, so that you do start to take your eternal salvation seriously! There is a perfect reason why all the Saints completely renounced the world and all of its pleasures.



[b]Please go to this thread which deals on this very subject![/b]


[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985[/url]
[/quote]


you talking to me ?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='30 September 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1254343628' post='1975050']
Maybe you should wake up and realize that most people are damned. Few find the way to life, and fewer still even this close to the end. Maybe the realization on the fewness of the saved will open your eyes, so that you do start to take your eternal salvation seriously! There is a perfect reason why all the Saints completely renounced the world and all of its pleasures.
[/quote]
You should have let us know right away that you were God Himself. We could have avoided mistaking you for a priggish jerk.

[Guest]

If you are I dont like your tone and your condescending attitude towards me. And I did check out that other thread. I trust in Gods mercy and grace and believe whoever calls on the Lord WILL be saved. I'm aware you cant play God and those who try will suffer the consequences. He knows our heart. All I was saying with my original post was work out YOUR salvation in fear and trembling and dont be so quick to beaver dam some one else to hell. There is nothing wrong with calling evil evil and good good. But you can go to far and in turn hurt other people and push them further away from God and the truth. Peace.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Guest

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='30 September 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1254343628' post='1975050']
Maybe you should wake up and realize that most people are damned. Few find the way to life, and fewer still even this close to the end. Maybe the realization on the fewness of the saved will open your eyes, so that you do start to take your eternal salvation seriously! There is a perfect reason why all the Saints completely renounced the world and all of its pleasures.

[b]Please go to this thread which deals on this very subject![/b]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=98985[/url]
[/quote]
I believe that there are different degrees of sin and culpability and that some things that are morally blameworthy are not automatically damnation-worthy. Venial sin, imperfections (which range from minor faults to serious faults), [i]et cetera[/i], do not damage the life of the soul like mortal sins (this is biblical and spelled out quite clearly in Church teaching). Frivolous entertainment is rarely grave matter. I agree that it would be better to renounce the world and embrace saintly asceticism, but the majority of souls out there go through life with many worldly attachments. Spiritual imperfections and worldliness are nothing to minimize, I'll grant you that, but they are also not [i]de jure[/i] worthy of damnation. Do you deny purgatory? You believe that a person must completely renounce the world in this life to be saved? There is a word for that: heresy. It sounds like you are saying that full contrition is necessary for salvation which is, quite frankly, anathema. If I am correct you are Jansenist in your thinking. I mean no insult, I am just being blunt about it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='30 September 2009 - 04:56 PM' timestamp='1254344192' post='1975057']
If you are I dont like your tone and your condescending attitude towards me. And I did check out that other thread. I trust in Gods mercy and grace and believe whoever calls on the Lord WILL be saved. I'm aware you cant play God and those who do will suffer the consequences. But all I was saying with my original post was work out YOUR salvation in fear and trembling and dont be so quick to beaver dam some one else to hell. There is nothing wrong with calling evil evil and good good. But you can go to far and in turn hurt other people and push them further away from God and the truth. Peace.
[/quote]
I don't think you know who you're talking to. That dude is saved, whereas we are all...where did he say we were going?

And why are we in a handbasket?