Worldly Television, Films, Series And Video Games Is Sinful

[Guest]

And I disagree most adult christians are going to hell. What kind of gospel is that ? I'm aware many will end up in hell but not those who have faith and have accepted the free gift of salvation. No one who calls on the lord will be forsaken. Again some want to play games with God and those people will reap what they sow. But God loves us and desires us to be saved. Great love one has from God if they believe in Him and fear Him.It's "catholics" like you that if I didn't know any better would make me want to be "christian" and start to think the catholic church is a evil cult full of vain works to get to heaven. Thank God the loving phamily here showed me otherwise.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Guest

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='30 September 2009 - 03:02 PM' timestamp='1254344566' post='1975065']
I believe that there are different degrees of sin and culpability and that some things that are morally blameworthy are not automatically damnation-worthy. Venial sin, imperfections (which range from minor faults to serious faults), [i]et cetera[/i], do not damage the life of the soul like mortal sins (this is biblical and spelled out quite clearly in Church teaching). Frivolous entertainment is rarely grave matter. I agree that it would be better to renounce the world and embrace saintly asceticism, but the majority of souls out there go through life with many worldly attachments. Spiritual imperfections and worldliness are nothing to minimize, I'll grant you that, but they are also not [i]de jure[/i] worthy of damnation. Do you deny purgatory? You believe that a person must completely renounce the world in this life to be saved? There is a word for that: heresy. It sounds like you are saying that full contrition is necessary for salvation which is, quite frankly, anathema. If I am correct you are Jansenist in your thinking. I mean no insult, I am just being blunt about it.
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+J.M.J.+
thankfully, you are smarter than me and can play 'name that heresy'.

[Guest]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='30 September 2009 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1254344960' post='1975075']
+J.M.J.+
thankfully, you are smarter than me and can play 'name that heresy'.
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[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

Yes Hietenan is being very radical in his presumtions, but we should maybe cut him some slack and reprove him charitably. When I first converted I was even a more radical/fudamentalist Catholic then he.
But my Pastors and Catechist's reproved me Charitably and they won me over through their true charity. They seen where I was coming from and they elightened me on the subject gently and didnt force anything upon me. Within months I was accepting Vatican II and technology(my two main stumbling blocks) and denying the Bayside Prophecies of Veronica Lueken(which were condemned by the Bishop). When I accepted these truths I felt a huge load fall from my shoulders, a load I shouldnt have been carrying, and sudden peace engulfed me. So Hietenan I reccomend to you, that you ask the Lord truthfully in your heart if hes pleased with the way you evangelize and present the Church. Be truthfull if your correct there is nothing to fear from asking him if you are not then you have some rough edges to smooth out like all of us. I used to be the same way and still am sometimes so maybe you can realte to me buddy. But now instead of being totally scupulous towards the world and others I am attacking myself with scuples and it is a burden I hope to get past.

As the Priest here at my Parish said during his homily on St. Jerome(today is his feast day)

St. Jerome was a very rude and unbearable person. He was angry at everybody who disagreed with him. He would curse people out, even St.Augustine over things like theology and scripture.
He was a jerk, so to speak. So one day he asked the Lord..."Jesus I offer you all my penances and sacrifices"...Jesus responds "This Iam not pleased with." St. Jerome comes back with "Lord, then I offer you my scripture study's and all my hard work of translating your scriptures!" Jesus says "This does not please me." So St. Jerome is cut to the heart and says "Wat then do you want Lord and what can possibly please you?" Jesus responds "I want your sins Jerome, give me your sins." And so St. Jerome breaks down in tears and he becomes a very humble man for the rest of his life. He even apologized to St. Augustine for the nasty things he said to him over their disagrements.

This just goes to show that the Saints were not perfect and when they tried to be perfect and thought they could be, Jesus shows them that it is impossible and that he just wants us to aknowledge that we are sinners and that we need Him, and his all mercifull Love.

May the Peace of Christ rest within you, Daniel

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='30 September 2009 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1254349720' post='1975132']
Yes Hietenan is being very radical in his presumtions, but we should maybe cut him some slack and reprove him charitably. When I first converted I was even a more radical/fudamentalist Catholic then he.
But my Pastors and Catechist's reproved me Charitably and they won me over through their true charity. They seen where I was coming from and they elightened me on the subject gently and didnt force anything upon me. Within months I was accepting Vatican II and technology(my two main stumbling blocks) and denying the Bayside Prophecies of Veronica Lueken(which were condemned by the Bishop). When I accepted these truths I felt a huge load fall from my shoulders, a load I shouldnt have been carrying, and sudden peace engulfed me. So Hietenan I reccomend to you, that you ask the Lord truthfully in your heart if hes pleased with the way you evangelize and present the Church. Be truthfull if your correct there is nothing to fear from asking him if you are not then you have some rough edges to smooth out like all of us. I used to be the same way and still am sometimes so maybe you can realte to me buddy. But now instead of being totally scupulous towards the world and others I am attacking myself with scuples and it is a burden I hope to get past.

As the Priest here at my Parish said during his homily on St. Jerome(today is his feast day)

St. Jerome was a very rude and unbearable person. He was angry at everybody who disagreed with him. He would curse people out, even St.Augustine over things like theology and scripture.
He was a jerk, so to speak. So one day he asked the Lord..."Jesus I offer you all my penances and sacrifices"...Jesus responds "This Iam not pleased with." St. Jerome comes back with "Lord, then I offer you my scripture study's and all my hard work of translating your scriptures!" Jesus says "This does not please me." So St. Jerome is cut to the heart and says "Wat then do you want Lord and what can possibly please you?" Jesus responds "I want your sins Jerome, give me your sins." And so St. Jerome breaks down in tears and he becomes a very humble man for the rest of his life. He even apologized to St. Augustine for the nasty things he said to him over their disagrements.

This just goes to show that the Saints were not perfect and when they tried to be perfect and thought they could be, Jesus shows them that it is impossible and that he just wants us to aknowledge that we are sinners and that we need Him, and his all mercifull Love.

May the Peace of Christ rest within you, Daniel
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Thanks!

[Kitty]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='30 September 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1254343628' post='1975050']
Maybe you should wake up and realize that most people are damned. Few find the way to life, and fewer still even this close to the end. Maybe the realization on the fewness of the saved will open your eyes, so that you do start to take your eternal salvation seriously! There is a perfect reason why all the Saints completely renounced the world and all of its pleasures.
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Is this your car?
[IMG]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y264/Avatars89/0919071823.jpg[/IMG]

[Winchester]

Cars are for the Devil!

[Varg]

Cars are fine, it's bumper stickers that are Satanic.

[Hietanen]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='01 October 2009 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1254344566' post='1975065']
I believe that there are different degrees of sin and culpability and that some things that are morally blameworthy are not automatically damnation-worthy. Venial sin, imperfections (which range from minor faults to serious faults), [i]et cetera[/i], do not damage the life of the soul like mortal sins (this is biblical and spelled out quite clearly in Church teaching). Frivolous entertainment is rarely grave matter. I agree that it would be better to renounce the world and embrace saintly asceticism, but the majority of souls out there go through life with many worldly attachments. Spiritual imperfections and worldliness are nothing to minimize, I'll grant you that, but they are also not [i]de jure[/i] worthy of damnation. Do you deny purgatory? You believe that a person must completely renounce the world in this life to be saved? There is a word for that: heresy. It sounds like you are saying that full contrition is necessary for salvation which is, quite frankly, anathema. If I am correct you are Jansenist in your thinking. I mean no insult, I am just being blunt about it.
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No I don't deny purgatory. I believe however that its way harder to be Saved then what most people wants to admit (if you make it hard, through worldly attachments). Our Lord himself says most will be damned, the same tone goes with most Saints. When they professed these truths, then the evil of technology wasn't yet invented that drags your mind even more away from God towards the world. How would the last of days be? What does scripture say about it, and what does other prophecies from Saints say? Do not think for a second that I think my self as Saved, far from. I see my self as damned, I have read enough books to understand that detachment from the world and its pleasures is the narrow road towards salvation and the love of God (since God and his infinite Love is not in worldly pleasures, delights of even of the world. Anyone condemning this opinion condemns the Catholic Faith it self), a road I have hard troubles getting at. A person who thinks himself to be already Saved will probably not be Saved, for this is cause of presumption, negligence in striving for virtue, vain hope, and lukewarmness of spirit and towards God, whilst, on the other hand, being warm and eager in the pleasures and delight of the world (which is the broad road to eternal destruction). Anyone taking his salvation lightly will most likely not be Saved, this is the opinions of most theologians and saints and cannot be condemned. Its a fact that none other than those whom love God with all their heart will come to God. This love will make the world and its pleasures grow cold in you. This an irrefutable fact, and thus, is it very easy to discern what it is you more love and strive for, God, or the world? I see in my self that I am far from this love, for yet is the world and its delight more pleasing to me. My thoughts still hang on here below on worldly things, for that is what I love. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also! Tell me, have you read the writings of St. John of the Cross?






St. Nilus must be counted as one of the leading ascetic writers of thefifth century. His feast is kept on November 12th in the ByzantineCalendar; he is commemorated also in the Roman Martyrology on the samedate. St. Nilus probably died around the year 430, as there is noevidence of his life after that.

Now the prophecy, which talks of the obvious which most people sadly deny, for as the prophecy go, are blinded by Antichrist:


Afterthe year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people ofthat time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent ofthe Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnalpassions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then theworld will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, andit will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to theirshamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be crueland will be like wild animals because of the temptations of theAntichrist. There will be no respect for parents and elders, love willdisappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vainmen, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from theleft. At that time, the morals and traditions of Christians and of theChurch will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation willreign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe tothose who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secretdeeds and murder will rule in society.

At that future time, dueto the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will bedeprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in HolyBaptism and equally of remorse.

The Churches of God will bedeprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christiansremaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose theirfaith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light ofknowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out ofthe world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritualsufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints.And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to beLord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and hewill produce miracles and fantastic signs. He will also give depravedwisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which oneman can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earthto the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birdsand descend to the bottom of the sea like fish. And when they haveachieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives incomfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of theAntichrist. And, the impious one! he will so complete science withvanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faithin the existence of God in three hypostases.

Then the All-goodGod will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the daysfor the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wantsto lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... thenthe sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the perverterand his servants.

[Theologian in Training]

Hietanen,

Apart from running away and becoming a monk/nun or ascetic, how are we to be "in the world, but not of it?"

[Hietanen]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='01 October 2009 - 01:28 AM' timestamp='1254349720' post='1975132']
Yes Hietenan is being very radical in his presumtions, but we should maybe cut him some slack and reprove him charitably. When I first converted I was even a more radical/fudamentalist Catholic then he.
But my Pastors and Catechist's reproved me Charitably and they won me over through their true charity. They seen where I was coming from and they elightened me on the subject gently and didnt force anything upon me. Within months I was accepting Vatican II and technology(my two main stumbling blocks) and denying the Bayside Prophecies of Veronica Lueken(which were condemned by the Bishop). When I accepted these truths I felt a huge load fall from my shoulders, a load I shouldnt have been carrying, and sudden peace engulfed me. So Hietenan I reccomend to you, that you ask the Lord truthfully in your heart if hes pleased with the way you evangelize and present the Church. Be truthfull if your correct there is nothing to fear from asking him if you are not then you have some rough edges to smooth out like all of us. I used to be the same way and still am sometimes so maybe you can realte to me buddy. But now instead of being totally scupulous towards the world and others I am attacking myself with scuples and it is a burden I hope to get past.[/quote]

Yes you are correct, I often times go over my head and say things which I should not have said. What I said previously that upset people was not meant as a self righteous statement, but more our of love, since In my opinion, people who find enjoyments in these and similar pleasure are in danger of loosing ones soul. I do confess however that it was poorly done and maybe written in anger for not seeing the danger in which seem to me so clear. I think I can prove my case that it is so, fairly easy. But, who I am? I am nobody. I am the worst of all sinners, I have deserved Hell over and over again for my willfully mortal sins against my conscience and God. I am sorry for seeming uncharitable oftentimes, this is something I struggle with. Forgive me all whom I offended, I mean no evil, only good! We might disagree on this and other things, but still I do love you and I will try to speak that which seems to be the most truth.


[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='01 October 2009 - 11:30 PM' timestamp='1254429000' post='1975797']
Hietanen,

Apart from running away and becoming a monk/nun or ascetic, how are we to be "in the world, but not of it?"
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Read St. Johns of the Cross writings dealing on just that.

[i][i]Ascent of Mount Carmel.pdf
Dark Night of the Soul.pdf
Spiritual Canticle of the Soul and the Bridegroom Christ.pdf
TheLiving Flame of Love.pdf[/i]


Read also the Revelations of St. Bridget which talks much on this as well. You can read these at this site, www.prophecyfilm.com
Without seeking knowledge, you cannot learn. Learning come as well from prayer. One that does not pray will not be Saved! (Now I am not saying that you don't pray, just stating a fact).



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[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='01 October 2009 - 05:59 PM' timestamp='1254430779' post='1975811']
Yes you are correct, I often times go over my head and say things which I should not have said. What I said previously that upset people was not meant as a self righteous statement, but more our of love, since In my opinion, people who find enjoyments in these and similar pleasure are in danger of loosing ones soul. I do confess however that it was poorly done and maybe written in anger for not seeing the danger in which seem to me so clear. I think I can prove my case that it is so, fairly easy. But, who I am? I am nobody. I am the worst of all sinners, I have deserved Hell over and over again for my willfully mortal sins against my conscience and God. I am sorry for seeming uncharitable oftentimes, this is something I struggle with. Forgive me all whom I offended, I mean no evil, only good! We might disagree on this and other things, but still I do love you and I will try to speak that which seems to be the most truth.






Read St. Johns of the Cross writings dealing on just that.

[i][i]Ascent of Mount Carmel.pdf
Dark Night of the Soul.pdf
Spiritual Canticle of the Soul and the Bridegroom Christ.pdf
TheLiving Flame of Love.pdf[/i]


Read also the Revelations of St. Bridget which talks much on this as well. You can read these at this site, www.prophecyfilm.com
Without seeking knowledge, you cannot learn. Learning come as well from prayer. One that does not pray will not be Saved! (Now I am not saying that you don't pray, just stating a fact).



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And, if I have already read them?

[Hietanen]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='02 October 2009 - 12:20 AM' timestamp='1254432024' post='1975816']
And, if I have already read them?
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Have you read both Saint John of the Cross books, and the Revelations of St. Bridget to the end? If you haven't, do so.

If you have read, or when you will read, and still do not know the answer for your question, than you are probably not doing what you should do, which is, making the changes necessary that the reader be urged to the throughout these books. This is a sign of lukewarmness, and are to be greatly feared.



The next thing I can recommend for you to read which also deals in this in great depth, is the cure of ars by St. John Vianney, which may be read at the site below.

[url="http://www.hismercy.ca/content/ebooks/Sermons.of.the.Cure.of.Ars.pdf"]http://www.hismercy.ca/content/ebooks/Sermons.of.the.Cure.of.Ars.pdf[/url]


Good luck in your spiritual journey my friend. God be with you!

[Winchester]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='01 October 2009 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1254432024' post='1975816']
And, if I have already read them?
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Then you would have come to the same conclusion that H did, because H is infallible.

[scardella]

Hiet... methinks you are underestimating God's bountiful mercy.

If I have to read John of the Cross, then you have to read the Diary of St. Faustina.