My First Ef Mass!

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1255231782' post='1982816']
Sure, it's legitimate. If you want everyone to know you're a neophyte. A "neophyte" sounds like a member of a heretical sect. You don't want to give scandal, do you? As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:22, we must "Abstain from all appearance of evil." Therefore, you should call it "trid mass." St. Paul said so.

~Sternhauser
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[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='10 October 2009 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1255232172' post='1982823']
Not that I don't agree, but source me. I "had" to receive on the hand last week out of what I thought was obedience to my local ordinary.
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"Each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue." ([i]Redemptionis Sacramentum[/i], 92)

Edited October 11, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1255231782' post='1982816']
Sure, it's legitimate. If you want everyone to know you're a neophyte. A "neophyte" sounds like a member of a heretical sect. You don't want to give scandal, do you? As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:22, we must "Abstain from all appearance of evil." Therefore, you should call it "trid mass." St. Paul said so.

~Sternhauser
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I'm about as traddie as it gets, and I call it the EF.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 October 2009 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1255232515' post='1982833']
"Each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue." ([i]Redemptionis Sacramentum[/i], 92)
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Thanks, dude.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='10 October 2009 - 11:40 PM' timestamp='1255232424' post='1982830']


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That was among the most bizzare, random images I've ever seen. Kudos.

~Sternhauser

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1255232804' post='1982838']
That was among the most bizzare, random images I've ever seen. Kudos.

~Sternhauser
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It's called a meme. You're welcome.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 October 2009 - 11:43 PM' timestamp='1255232636' post='1982835']


I'm about as traddie as it gets, and I call it the EF.
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I never heard it being called "extraordinary" 20 years ago. And St. Paul has clearly spoken. : )

~Sternhauser

Edited October 11, 2009 by Sternhauser

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 10:54 PM' timestamp='1255233243' post='1982845']
I never heard it being called "extraordinary" 20 years ago.
~Sternhauser
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No-one had thought of calling in the Tridentine Mass before the 16th Century.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 October 2009 - 11:58 PM' timestamp='1255233528' post='1982850']
No-one had thought of calling in the Tridentine Mass before the 16th Century.
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Then "Trid mass" still has more centuries under its belt than "extraordinary form" will have in . . . centuries. And thus, more street cred. What could be more important on a forum called "Phatmass?"

~Sternhauser

Edited October 11, 2009 by Sternhauser

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 11:00 PM' timestamp='1255233656' post='1982852']
Then "Trid mass" still has more centuries under its belt than "extraordinary form" will have in . . . centuries. And thus, more street cred. What could be more important on a forum called "Phatmass?"

~Sternhauser
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It's actually interesting that the Motu Proprio doesn't label the TLM as "the extraordinary form" but as "an extraordinary form"...out of the normal.

But anyway, I have no qualms with it being called the EF Mass. It's just a name, it doesn't matter.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 October 2009 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1255233845' post='1982857']
It's actually interesting that the Motu Proprio doesn't label the TLM as "the extraordinary form" but as "an extraordinary form"...out of the normal.
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The are no articles in Latin.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='10 October 2009 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1255233845' post='1982857']
It's actually interesting that the Motu Proprio doesn't label the TLM as "the extraordinary form" but as "an extraordinary form"...out of the normal.

But anyway, I have no qualms with it being called the EF Mass. It's just a name, it doesn't matter.
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Extra ordinary could be read as "beyond ordinary" rather than not normal. I see it as a kind of commendation, personally.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='10 October 2009 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1255231782' post='1982816']
Sure, it's legitimate. If you want everyone to know you're a neophyte. A "neophyte" sounds like a member of a heretical sect. You don't want to give scandal, do you? As St. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:22, we must "Abstain from all appearance of evil." Therefore, you should call it "trid mass." St. Paul said so.

~Sternhauser
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Except that, once again, the terms preferred by the Holy Father are [i]Extraordinary Form[/i] or [i]the Mass of Bl. John XXIII[/i]. So to insist on calling it Tridentine could arguably be more scandalous. How is using the terminology the Pope is encouraging signifying that one is a "neophyte"? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) And heretical, the appearance of evil? Please.

Anyway, while, of course everyone would know what you're talking about when calling it the Tridentine Mass, it is a less accurate term.

From [url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/motuproprio.htm"]the EWTN Library:[/url]

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What is the Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962?[/b]

This is the Mass as celebrated according to the Roman Missal promulgated by Blessed John XXIII. It was in use at time of the Second Vatican Council (October 11, 1962 to December 8th 1965), and thus prior to that Council's call for a reform of the liturgical books. The Pope refers to this pre-conciliar form of the Mass as the extraordinary form.

[b]Is this the same as the Tridentine Rite?[/b]

[u]Tridentine is the adjective for anything connected with the Council of Trent (1548-1570). The term Tridentine Rite is not an accurate term. While the Missal of 1962 corresponds largely with the rite of the Mass promulgated after the Council of Trent by Pope St. Pius V, and therefore it has sometimes been called the Tridentine rite, it nonetheless is not identical. Several Popes over the centuries have made changes to the Tridentine missal. [/u]In the decade before the Second Vatican Council, Pope Pius XII modified the ceremonies of Holy Week and Pope John XXIII added St. Joseph to the saints' names mentioned in the Roman Canon.

Further, as Pope Benedict makes clear there is one Roman Rite, with two forms, an ordinary form (according to the Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, last revised in 2002), and an extraordinary form (according to the Missal of 1962). These two forms should peacefully co-exist, as do other occasionally celebrated forms of the Mass in the Western Church, such as the Ambrosian (Milan) or Mozarabic (Toledo, Spain), or, the various forms of the Divine Liturgy in the Eastern Churches (e.g. Liturgy of St. Basil, Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom etc.).

[b]Is it the same as the Latin Mass?[/b]

The expression Latin Mass is popularly applied to the Mass according to the Missal of 1962, since one of its most notable characteristics is that the prayers are entirely in Latin. However, this is true also of the Missale Romanum of the post-conciliar rite, which is typically celebrated in the vernacular languages of the world. All translations are made from the "typical edition" in Latin (currently the third edition, of 2002), and every missal in vernacular translation must also contain the Latin text, since any priest may freely celebrate the ordinary form of the Mass in Latin.

Some, therefore, distinguish Mass according to the 1962 Missal from the current rite by calling it the traditional Latin Mass. While this is preferable to Latin Mass, it still does not establish the exact form of the traditional Latin Mass in question.[/quote]

Edited October 11, 2009 by zunshynn

[eagle_eye222001]

Enjoy.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 October 2009 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1255232079' post='1982822']
No bishop can legally prohibit Communion on the tongue, as it is the universal norm for distribution of Communion in the Roman Rite. The most he could have done was recommend that the faithful of the diocese receive in the hand.
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[quote]OFFICE OF THE ARCHBISHOP
September 24, 2009
To: All Pastors in the Archdiocese of Edmonton
Reverend Fathers,
In our mission to care for our brothers and sisters as Christ cares for us, it is a collective responsibility to prevent the spread of physical disease. As the fall influenza season approaches, we are reminded once again of this responsibility. However, our experience over the last several months has demonstrated that when there are sensational reports in the media and conflicting opinions among public health officials in various parts of the world, it can be difficult to decide objectively on an appropriate level of response to the threat of infection. For this reason, I have opened a regular, direct channel of communication with Dr. Gerry Predy, the provincial medical officer of health for the Edmonton region. As the expert with the most detailed knowledge of the risk right here in the Archdiocese, he is in the best position to advise us on the precautions we should take.
This week Dr. Predy advised that health officials have noted a rise in the number of cases of H1N1 influenza in our region as well as a number of severe cases in our neighbouring province of British Columbia. This indicates that we can expect to see increasing incidence of flu in the coming months, and so it is timely to implement preventive measures.
It is on his advice that I ask today for your co-operation in implementing a number of liturgical restrictions aimed at preventing the spread of the H1N1 influenza. These measures take effect immediately and will remain in effect until further notice:
For any celebrations of the Mass, omit the liturgical exchange of a sign of peace. This is aimed not only at preventing the spread of disease through handshakes but also at reducing the sense of awkwardness or disunity that can arise when some parishioners are shaking hands while others are bowing or making other gestures. As well, pastors should refrain from shaking hands as they greet parishioners after Mass. Cease the distribution of the Precious Blood from the chalice during any celebration of the Eucharist. Limit the reception of the Body of Christ to the hands only. We are advised that reception on the tongue is considered a higher-risk practice than reception in the hands.
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Remind all lay ministers of the need to practice good hygiene. Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion should wash their hands before Mass begins and avoid touching their mouth, nose and eyes during Mass. An alcohol-based hand sanitizer should be provided on the credence table so that all ministers can sanitize their hands immediately before distributing Communion. Empty all holy water fonts. Since hundreds of hands may be dipped in the water, it is also a potential source for spread of infection.
I appreciate the distress that some of these restrictions cause for the faithful. Thedecision to impose them is not one I take lightly. But as conditions change, we must be prepared to address them with appropriate measures based on prayer and the careful consideration of the best advice we can obtain. Please inform your parishioners of these measures and explain that they are being taken in the interests of the common good.
This would also be an opportunity to remind parishioners of the importance of basic health measures. For example, thorough hand washing is one of the most effective means of preventing the transmission of infectious material. If you have not done so already, you should make alcohol-based hand sanitizing solution available at the church entrances. Please make tissues available as well, so that they can be used if necessary to cover a cough.
As well, I ask that you urge parishioners not to attend Mass if they have any signs of illness, especially a cough or fever. I realize that this is a difficult decision for those who faithfully fulfil their Sunday obligation, but it is important to let them know that staying home because of illness is not an infringement of the Sunday obligation and is, furthermore, a matter of respect for their brothers and sisters.
Those who stay at home can be encouraged to pray and reflect on the Sunday readings, pray the rosary or other devotions, or watch the televised Sunday Mass and make a Spiritual Communion. The televised Mass is broadcast on Salt+Light TV and streamed on the Internet at http://www.saltandlighttv.org at 10:30 a.m., 1 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. each Sunday. Pastoral care team members who bring the Blessed Sacrament to shut-ins should not attend any homes where influenza is known or suspected to be present.
Finally, it would be appropriate for all of us to offer prayers appealing for the healing grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ for those who are sick and suffering at this time.
Enclosed with this letter please find a one-page summary of the liturgical restrictions that are now in place, suitable for posting in your parish or including in the weekly bulletin. Also enclosed is a suggested text for Spiritual Communion.
Please share this information with the clergy and staff at your parish. I ask that these restrictions also be observed at all other institutions in the Archdiocese where Mass is celebrated.
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In the coming days, further directives will be issued from the Chancellor and the Director of Liturgy regarding protocols for ministering to those afflicted by flu and for dealing with illness of the pastor himself. Updates and more resources will be posted on the archdiocesan website at www.caedm.ca/flu
Yours sincerely in Christ,
 Richard W. Smith
Archbishop of Edmonton[/quote]

So, Rexi, why don't you just fire off a letter to my archbishop, and tell him he is doing something illegal.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='11 October 2009 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1255234995' post='1982878']
Except that, once again, the terms preferred by the Holy Father are [i]Extraordinary Form[/i] or [i]the Mass of Bl. John XXIII[/i]. So to insist on calling it Tridentine could arguably be more scandalous. How is using the terminology the Pope is encouraging signifying that one is a "neophyte"? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) And heretical, the appearance of evil? Please.
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I think your facetiometer needs to be recalibrated.

~Sternhauser

[Deus te Amat]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='11 October 2009 - 01:07 AM' timestamp='1255237628' post='1982917']
I think your facetiometer needs to be recalibrated.

~Sternhauser
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I think that was a tad uncalled for.

[The Bus Station]

I'm going to my first High Mass today too!

we're TWINS

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[Nunsense]

Remember that it is about the priest making the offering to God for us, and use this beautiful opportunity to focus on God instead of trying to be "part of the Mass". The priest is doing the work for us in the EF. I love a High Mass.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' date='11 October 2009 - 01:32 AM' timestamp='1255239143' post='1982933']
I think that was a tad uncalled for.
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Deus_te,

On several occasions, I've had similar expressions used to alert me to my having misread another's statement, and I have never felt offended by it. And whenever I've seen someone receive such a statement from someone else, they were not offended, either. It's simply a refreshingly different way of saying, "Look again: what I said was in jest."

~Sternhauser

Edited October 11, 2009 by Sternhauser