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Indwelling Trinity
[quote name='miles Christi' timestamp='1337698266' post='2433664']
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[sub]I’d totally second MaterMisericordiae’s Buffalo recommendation – I visited their monastery back in 2008 and it was such a wonderful experience. [/sub]
[sub]One of their extern sisters, Sr Agnes was super kind and very accommodating and even arranged a visit with Reverend Mother despite my unannounced visit. She gave me the cell # of the other extern sister, Sr Consolata, in case I needed to reach them during my time there. I wasn’t actually staying at the monastery - I was just visiting in the Niagra Falls area in Canada and since I heard from the MCs how wonderful the Buffalo Carmelites were I decided to visit them… [/sub]

[sub]My visit with Rev. Mother was particularly memorable but unfortunately not for any spiritual reason but more so because I think I managed to make a fool of myself… when she asked me where I was staying I just blurted out (without thinking about how it would sound) that I was staying at Yogi Bear camp in Jellystone Park – need I describe Rev. Mother’s look on her face? Well, what can I say, I truly enjoy camping and wouldn’t have exchanged that little cabin for the finest hotel … sorry for the sidetrack there.[/sub]

[sub]After all that though, Sr. Agnes invited me to spend as much time at the Monastery as I wished so I ended up driving down from Jellystone Park and over the Canadian border to the Monastery every morning. The 2 extern Sisters stayed in the main church during the Hours, chanting along with the rest of the community behind the grilles – Sister Agnes told me where to sit so I could have a peak at them :). Those who have already been there know how lovely their chant is. I can’t recommend enough a visit there and I can’t imagine them not thriving either.[/sub]
[sub]Their habit is the beautiful traditional Spanish habit too – without the rope sandals though (or at least the externs weren’t wearing them)[/sub]

[sub]Here is Sr. Agnes in Buffalo on the day of her final vows (I think these were posted on other threads too a few yrs back):[/sub]

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[sub]also visited a couple other East Coast Carmels – Port Tobacco in MD and Flemington NJ.[/sub]

[sub]Neither of these have left such a great impression on me though as Buffalo did.[/sub]

[sub]The fact that all the sisters at Port Tobacco received our Lord in the hand during Holy Communion really saddened my heart… [/sub][sub]I visited them with our diocesean women's discernment group and the Vocation Director took some photos:[/sub]

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[sub]The Flemington Carmel was in more of a rural setting with cows, goats, chickens… nice quite place and they had an Indian priest as their chaplain.[/sub]

[sub]Sorry but I don’t know of any English-Spanish communities.[/sub]
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Laughing.... all of this is taking me down memory lane..... After i had to eave Brooklyn Carmel because of its closing i eventually entered Port Tobacco. I left before profession. They were very beautiful sisters but we had very little regular life at the time i was there. I found it kind of lax. The hermitages are amesome, but we spent very little time in them. Too much time in the parlour and too many politics. However It was a healthy community. The 1991's are a bit more liberal than the 1990's I am sad to see only two new sisters in the picture after 20 years of my having left them.

Mother Virginia Marie is a beautiful soul and Sister Corazon a holy and simple one.

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Indwelling Trinity
In all fairness to Port Tobacco. I was there during a time when the community was being newly re-established so it was not yet settled and much building was gong on. Port Tobacco community was the re-establishment of of the first Carmel in America. So it was very high profile at the time i was there. I think much of this added to the rather irregular life at the time. I guess I am not the founding member type. I needed more regular life and in having very little i became frustrated, perhaps mildly depressed. My Prior Carmel was very strict and i did not know how to cope with the drastic change. Also i did not like all the lime light they had at the time.

As for receiving communion in the hand or on the tongue, it was up to each individual sister. I always receive on the tongue no one made an issue of it.

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FutureCarmeliteClaire
I didn't know there were so many former Port Tobacco-ers on PM. I will definitely take what y'all said into consideration as I am discerning with them. We shall see. God has been opening many other doors for me to discern where I am called, so I won't stress about it I suppose.

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the171
About Laffy. If anyone is questioning the modified veils, the reason they had to modify was because of the humidity and heat of the region. Too many constant ear infections. They are a bi-ritual community. They used to do the Byzantine rite often, but now it is only on the rare occasion that a bi-ritual or Byzantine rite priest visits. One of the former, long-time chaplains was bi-ritual but when the Diocese of Lafayette split into the Diocese of Lafayette and the Diocese of Lake Charles there was a higher need for priests in the newly formed diocese. Thus, Father was sent over there.

At least that's how I remember it. Not that I remember the event. I just remember the story as told by the desk lady at Laffy Carm. Very orthodox community where many prominent people have visited. INCLUDING, then Bishop, Cardinal DOLAN. He loves Lafayette Carmel. :)

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='miles Christi' timestamp='1337764961' post='2433917']
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ahhh alpargatas – thanks so much Reminiscere for reminding me what they’re called, I couldn’t remember for the life of me.
Good to know that the nuns within the enclosure actually wear them – thanks for insight :)
I’d be interested to know why they don’t have them in Valparaiso?!
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I love the alpargatas too :heart: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/102855-carmel-of-jesus-mary-and-joseph/#entry2057850"]Here[/url] Tridenteen says they don't have them there for practical reasons. I know Dallas doesn't have them either. The others I know that do besides Buffalo, Brooklyn & Alexandria are Iron Mountain, Cristo Rey (San Francisco, and yes they are bilingual, 1991 Constitutions) and I believe Wichita. Also I think Lake Elmo has them, another thriving community.

You can see them in Brooklyn [url="http://youtu.be/JDFYE3-W9w4"]here[/url] (note: when that TV station asked the nuns if they could do a program on them they said no, but then the bishop asked them and they said yes, learned that from a friend who entered there, I like how they were careful to keep their faces hidden :ninja: too bad they didn't have the host wearing a more modest shirt though :/ they are also in part 1 a bit [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vAzSNZWElXo#t=142s"]here[/url])

[quote name='AnneLine' timestamp='1337206198' post='2431401']A number of communities (including Valpariso and Elysberg and Ada and Wheeling have Mexican roots, but I don't know if they still are bilingual..... Anyone know for sure?
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The [url="http://historic-wheeling.wikispaces.com/Mount+Carmel+Monastery"]monastery in Wheeling, WV[/url] was beautiful and very Spanish in architecture, but the community was actually from the French line of Carmels. They merged with Elysburg in the 70's and the monastery is now used for apartments .. too bad as it was so beautiful and built especially for Carmel. How wonderful if it could be reclaimed one day, but that would probably be not possible/&terribly expensive. A couple more links, [url="http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/524426/Frederick-Faris-Drew-on-Variety-of-Architectural-Styles.html?nav=510"]here[/url] & [url="http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/102-Carmel-Rd-Wheeling-WV-26003/2145904579_zpid/"]here[/url].

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StayingFaithful
[size=4][font=georgia,serif]The Discalced Nuns of the Carmelite Monastery of Cristo Rey in San Francisco recite the Divine Office in English and Spanish, they alternate every two weeks. They also have both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of Holy Mass. They were founded in 1927 from Mexico due to the Cristero War (the For Greater Glory film focuses on this religous persectuion). [/font][/size]

[size=4][font=georgia,serif]Speaking of the Cristo Rey Community, you may already be aware but in case you are not, the Carmel of Cristo Rey has another granddaughter! [url="http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/#comments"]http://cal-catholic....house/#comments[/url][/font][/size]

[size=4][font=georgia,serif]Interestingly, the Cristo Rey Carmelites have the 1991 Consitituions but you would not be able to guess it by their Community as they have preserved the traditional relgious life - perhaps this is why the Kensington Carmelite Nuns (1990) chose to be with the Cristo Rey Community. [/font][/size] Edited by StayingFaithful

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ToJesusMyHeart
The Carmelites at the monastery of the Infant of Prague in Dallas are thriving! They have 2-4 novices right now and at least 2 postulants. They're bilingual. I've been to mass at their monastery several times (beautiful chapel, with altar rail, and EF celebrated once a month!) and this most recent visit I ran into a man who does their yard work, and when I said "Good morning" to him, he articulated that he doesn't speak English. Thankfully my Spanish hasn't totally gone out the window yet, so I was able to converse with him briefly about his work at the monastery. He has worked there for 20 years! The sisters definitely know Spanish well enough to keep him employed for that long. I'm sure there are some sisters who are fluent. [url="http://www.dallascarmelites.com/"]http://www.dallascarmelites.com/[/url]

There's also a Carmel in Arlington, TX, which I believe has novices. They also have German Shepherds...so that's a plus. (The dogs are brown and black in color...just like the habit of the sisters!!! :hehe:...also, one of the dogs is actually a puppy...! ) [url="http://www.carmelnuns.com/"]http://www.carmelnuns.com/[/url]

Also, the Carmel in St. Louis is thriving. I visited them on a Nun Run at the end of this past semester, and they have several novices and a postulant. When we talked with them in the parlor, they were all absolutely beautiful and their joy was utterly astounding. Also, they mentioned being the only Carmel in the US with daily Eucharistic Adoration. I thought that was pretty spectacular. They pray the Divine Office in front of the exposed Sacrament.

From their website: "In our Carmel we are privileged to have Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament every day. We also pray the Divine Office in English for the Church and for the world in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament day in and day out."
[url="http://mtcarmel.stormpages.com/"]http://mtcarmel.stormpages.com/[/url]

I love Carmelites...in case it wasn't obvious. Yet strangely, I don't think I'm called to be one. God is so weird. :crazy:

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ToJesusMyHeart
And for those to whom it matters, the Dallas Carmelites all receive our Lord kneeling and on the tongue. I know for some it doesn't matter, but for others this is of great importance. They also use the communion flap to cover their eyes. Edited by ToJesusMyHeart

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1343969791' post='2461888']
And for those to whom it matters, the Dallas Carmelites all receive kneeling and on the tongue. I know for some it doesn't matter, but for others this is of great importance.
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They also cover their faces while receiving :ninja: .. :like: although on other occasions you may be able to see them like a clothing day here, [url="http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/upcoming-activities-at-the-carmelite-chapel/"]http://veneremurcern...rmelite-chapel/[/url] Their chapel is one of the most beautiful I've seen ever (not just Carmels) :heart:

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ToJesusMyHeart
Chiq, I edited my post to include the face covering, and then discovered that you made the note! :hehe2:

I have to agree; their chapel took my breath away when I first saw it!

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Chiquitunga
[quote name='StayingFaithful' timestamp='1343932919' post='2461643']
[font=georgia,serif]The Discalced Nuns of the Carmelite Monastery of Cristo Rey in San Francisco recite the Divine Office in English and Spanish, they alternate every two weeks. They also have both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Forms of Holy Mass. They were founded in 1927 from Mexico due to the Cristero War (the For Greater Glory film focuses on this religous persectuion). [/font]

[font=georgia,serif]Speaking of the Cristo Rey Community, you may already be aware but in case you are not, the Carmel of Cristo Rey has another granddaughter! [url="http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/#comments"]http://cal-catholic....house/#comments[/url][/font]

[font=georgia,serif]Interestingly, the Cristo Rey Carmelites have the 1991 Consitituions but you would not be able to guess it by their Community as they have preserved the traditional relgious life - perhaps this is why the Kensington Carmelite Nuns (1990) chose to be with the Cristo Rey Community. [/font]
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A video from some Christmas celebrations there .. :heart:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqgIuy8bIo[/media]

Much time in the middle is devoted to their huge Nativity scene in the refectory .. around 11 min. you see it's there. But then around 12:50 you see the nuns greeting people in the choir, including a cardinal, not sure who. You can see they are very bilingual! :proud:

I like how they have that balcony for elderly or sick Sisters. A few Carmels have those. I don't think Valparaiso does, as everything is on one floor there (besides the basement they probably have) Also you can see a postulant! She has the same outer veil on (like a Novice) as they wear in Valparaiso/Elys. though not all the time. Other Spanish Carmels with that postulant outfit, like Brooklyn posted about above, just have the simple veil all the time .. like in the Teresa de Los Andes movie :love: Okay, I better get to bed .. :hehe: Edited by Chiquitunga

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emmaberry
[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1343974947' post='2461915']
A video from some Christmas celebrations there .. :heart:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTqgIuy8bIo[/media]

Much time in the middle is devoted to their huge Nativity scene in the refectory .. around 11 min. you see it's there. But then around 12:50 you see the nuns greeting people in the choir, including a cardinal, not sure who. You can see they are very bilingual! :proud:

I like how they have that balcony for elderly or sick Sisters. A few Carmels have those. I don't think Valparaiso does, as everything is on one floor there (besides the basement they probably have) Also you can see a postulant! She has the same outer veil on (like a Novice) as they wear in Valparaiso/Elys. though not all the time. Other Spanish Carmels with that postulant outfit, like Brooklyn posted about above, just have the simple veil all the time .. like in the Teresa de Los Andes movie :love: Okay, I better get to bed .. :hehe:
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Thank you for this post! I loved the video. You are right about the unique postulant veil. I love my Poor Clares, but Carmelites know how to dress a postulnt!

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StayingFaithful
Thanks for all the knowledge you share. Wow, you have a video of Cristo Rey! Have you visited them? They are a growing community! Edited by StayingFaithful

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ToJesusMyHeart
Does Cristo Rey have the communion flap like Dallas has?

What are the differences between the Spanish and the French habits? Does anyone have pictures of each type? :) Edited by ToJesusMyHeart

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