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graciandelamadrededios    398
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just thought I'd post these really quick ... some more pictures from Seattle Carmel on eBay

 

$T2eC16VHJIgFHRhz6PpBBSKgceEKIQ~~60_3.JP

 

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I wonder... what if someone leaned on those spikes by accident? :o

 

Nice photos, Chiqui!

 

Well, this is the reason why Mother Prioress of Carmelite Monastery in Gilmore removed the spikes on their grilles shortly after Vatican II.  The idea of having spikes on the grille posed danger to others and for some folks who cannot hold back their curiosity. 

 

I attended Mass at Carmel of St. Therese in Manila during the Feast Day of St. Therese of the Child Jesus and the chapel was packed with people!  The Mass was presided by Archbishop Tirona, OCD and was assisted by SSS Fathers and OCD Fathers and Brothers.  

 

I noticed some white veiled Nuns (4 or 5 Novices or Simple Professed Nun) during communion and 1 postulant.  This Carmel enjoys really good vocations!

 

Manila Carmel elected a new Prioress.  She used to helped a Belgian Carmel and she was about to transfer there but was elected as Prioress several years ago.  Now she is, again, elected as Prioress.  The former Prioress finished her two terms and can no longer be elected.

 

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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just thought I'd post these really quick ... some more pictures from Seattle Carmel on eBay

 

$T2eC16VHJIgFHRhz6PpBBSKgceEKIQ~~60_3.JP

 

$T2eC16ZHJHkFFmFsw+fkBSKgtC3V4w~~60_3.JP

 

$T2eC16JHJHMFH!gf6,01BSKgci(9E!~~60_3.JP

 

I wonder... what if someone leaned on those spikes by accident? :o

 

 

Nice photos, Chiqui!

 

Well, this is the reason why Mother Prioress of Carmelite Monastery in Gilmore removed the spikes on their grilles shortly after Vatican II.  The idea of having spikes on the grille posed danger to others and for some folks who cannot hold back their curiosity. 

 

I attended Mass at Carmel of St. Therese in Manila during the Feast Day of St. Therese of the Child Jesus and the chapel was packed with people!  The Mass was presided by Archbishop Tirona, OCD and was assisted by SSS Fathers and OCD Fathers and Brothers.  

 

I noticed some white veiled Nuns (4 or 5 Novices or Simple Professed Nun) during communion and 1 postulant.  This Carmel enjoys really good vocations!

 

Manila Carmel elected a new Prioress.  Mother Roseanne used to helped a Belgian Carmel and she was about to transfer there but was elected as Prioress several years ago.  Now she is, again, elected as Prioress.  The former Prioress finished her two terms and can no longer be elected - Mother Bernard used to helped an Israeli Carmel and she learned French there since most of the Sisters are from France.  

 

Now that Mother Bernard is no longer the Prioress, she now assumes the office of a Novice Mistress.  A custom they retained as mandated by St. Teresa and outlined in her Constitutions.

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Chiquitunga    817
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Praised be Jesus Christ! Thanks for sharing that Gracian! I just noticed this, the Allentown Carmel (O.Carm.) has spikes, http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/Allentown_Carmelites_Photos_Community.htm

 

p.s. a video from Benediction there, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EozeCD2sM  wish it were wider, but this is nice. they really have a beautiful chapel and high altar!

 

 

 

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reminiscere    162
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That's the whole point!!!  <_<

 

The idea of having spikes on the grille posed danger to others and for some folks who cannot hold back their curiosity

 

 

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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That's the whole point!!!  <_<

 

During the time of St. Teresa, the local town folk pose dangers to the Nuns.  The idea of putting spikes on the grille is to protect the Nuns from those who wants to grab them or those knights with swords that threatens the nuns by inserting them into the space of the bar.

 

During that period, there are families who objected to their daughters or sisters entering a strict cloister.

 

St. Clare was dragged by her male relatives but she clung to the altar cloth.  Her sister, St. Agnes was not lucky, she was violently carried by her male relatives away from the monastery.  Good thing is that St. Clare prayed and suddenly her sister's body became so heavy that they were forced to abandon her.  Strict enclosure and separation of grilles were not enforced that time.

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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Praised be Jesus Christ! Thanks for sharing that Gracian! I just noticed this, the Allentown Carmel (O.Carm.) has spikes, http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/Allentown_Carmelites_Photos_Community.htm

 

p.s. a video from Benediction there, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EozeCD2sM  wish it were wider, but this is nice. they really have a beautiful chapel and high altar!

 

Thanks for pointing it out, Chiqui!

 

I just noticed it too, if you look closely.  But reading the biography of their foundress, Mother Therese, she really wanted this Carmel to be like St. Teresa's.  Even their habit similar to French Discalced Carmelite Nuns.  Mother Therese corresponded with the biological sister of St. Therese, Mother Agnes of Jesus.

 

So, she might have gotten this idea from the OCD than from the O. Carms.

 

I am learning a lot about Carmelite Nuns prior to the reform of St. Teresa.  The book written by Joachim Smet, O. Carm. is really a treasure.

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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I recently found this youtube video of Discalced Carmelite Nuns in Thailand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGH4ynGgEcQ

 

The Nuns are literally "discalced" as you can see in the video.  I think this is common custom among Carmels in tropical countries or a custom of the poor in the country.  I read an account of a Filipina Novice that they used to be barefooted before Vatican II.  Now, in some Carmels in the Philippines, they can choose to wear a common slippers or go barefoot.

 

The foundation of monasteries of the Discalced Carmelite Nuns in Thailand can be traced back to French Foundations in Vietnam.  Several of Carmels in the Philippines were founded by the French Mothers from Vietnam.

 

 

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inperpetuity    281
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Thanks to you Chiqui I am staying up past my bedtime! LOL I can't believe I never even noticed their spikes, wow.  And, I saw that they do in fact have an altar rail.  I will be visiting them next month!  Praised Be Jesus Christ!

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Regarding the spikes, the prioress at one Carmel told me that before the spikes were removed, there was one occasion when a priest whose eyesight was not great nearly lost an eye on one... and needed some stitches.   She said she and all the Sisters were glad when they were removed because of dozens of incidents like this.  

 

Regarding the Seattle Carmel, I know the answer on this one.  They had originally been in building that was purchased for them in I believe 1903 or so... .the father of one of the Nuns paid for the monastery in order to have his daughter back near their home rather than on the East Coast where it was tough for the family to visit her.  (This is a pretty common scenario for many of the West Coast Carmels, btw....)   But the location wasn't ideal.  It was in the middle of Seattle, and when the neighborhood got bad, it was impossible for the sisters to stay there safely.  And there simply was no room for a decent enclosure Garden.  The community was encouraged by the bishop to move outside the limits of Seattle itself yet within the diocese, so they moved slightly north to Shoreline, and the Bishop got the parishes to donate their Christmas collection toward purchasing them land and $$$ to build a new monastery, which they did in the mid 1960s.   The chapel is simple, but beautiful in its own way.. .and they have lovely grounds.   You can see that (and some history and photos) on their website:

 

http://www.seattlecarmel.org/

 

 

This is an interesting article about the original monastery that came out at the time of their 100th Anniversary:

 

http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2009/12/an-oasis-of-silence-and-prayer-at-18th-and-howell/

 

There USED to be a nice article on the original monastery with great pictures... but the Seattle Archdiocese's newspaper has now ceased, and the archives are gone......

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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Praised be Jesus Christ! Thanks for sharing that Gracian! I just noticed this, the Allentown Carmel (O.Carm.) has spikes, http://www.carmelite-nuns.com/Allentown_Carmelites_Photos_Community.htm

 

p.s. a video from Benediction there, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EozeCD2sM  wish it were wider, but this is nice. they really have a beautiful chapel and high altar!

 

Photos of Choir Grilles with Spikes from the Monastery of Carmelite Nuns of the Ancient Observance in Allentown:

 

Allentown-Carmelites-04.jpg
 
Allentown-Carmelites-03.jpg
 
 

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JMJ/M&M    0
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The Carmelo de Sta. Tereza in Rio de Janeiro city is where the spikes are still on the Chapel Grille. The Nuns at the modern Carmel where the Nuns are speaking, do not have any spikes. In fact, a few Carmels in Brazil  have no grilles at all in the chapels. Sta. Tereza in Rio is a very old building & is well-preserved. I believe the recent preservation was financed by the government....

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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The Carmelo de Sta. Tereza in Rio de Janeiro city is where the spikes are still on the Chapel Grille. The Nuns at the modern Carmel where the Nuns are speaking, do not have any spikes. In fact, a few Carmels in Brazil  have no grilles at all in the chapels. Sta. Tereza in Rio is a very old building & is well-preserved. I believe the recent preservation was financed by the government....

 

Thanks for the info.  There you go, Chiqui!

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Alberto Guimaraes    57
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Peace and Good!

Lovely, living barefoot our spiritual life!

Congratulations, Indian and Philipine sisters!

Br. Alberto Guimaraes OFS

Braga - Portugal

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orapronobis    114
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I have to admit if I visited a Carmel with spikes on the grille, I would most likely end the day in the hospital. Rather accident prone!

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graciandelamadrededios    398
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15 hours ago, orapronobis said:

I have to admit if I visited a Carmel with spikes on the grille, I would most likely end the day in the hospital. Rather accident prone!

I agree.  The tip is to stay away as far as possible.  

Manila Carmel removed the spikes on their grille but they opted to leave the spikes on the very top of the grille where no humans can reached.

 

 

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