Varg

[pat22]

just curious. do you claim to have a theory on how the world came to be?

[ardillacid]

Nothing exploded violently

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='notardillacid' date='07 November 2009 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1257575413' post='1997622']
Nothing exploded violently
[/quote]
For no reason. Don't forget that, it's important.

[Nihil Obstat]

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fOORhFmbA6s/SJNAqq9f0AI/AAAAAAAABEo/56aMXlRQf5A/s1600/01AwcAX34POJIAAAABAAAAAAAAAAA-.jpg[/img]

[Varg]

[img]http://migration.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/christianity.jpg[/img]

And if you're wondering where my name comes from, see Varg Vikernes (I only realised he was a neo-Nazi after I named my account after him, just so you know.

Edit: I meisread "world" as "word". I thought you were asking were my name meant >.<

So yeah, the world like came from the big bang and that.

Edited November 7, 2009 by Varg

[pat22]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 November 2009 - 09:05 AM' timestamp='1257602712' post='1997696']
[img]http://migration.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/christianity.jpg[/img]

And if you're wondering where my name comes from, see Varg Vikernes (I only realised he was a neo-Nazi after I named my account after him, just so you know.

Edit: I meisread "world" as "word". I thought you were asking were my name meant >.<

So yeah, the world like came from the big bang and that.
[/quote]
sorry nihil, but i laughed a lot harded at his pic


Varg, i didn't mean the world, but matter i general.

[Varg]

No, I have no theory about that.

[Servus_Mariae]

Then why the certainty as to the rejection of theism? Agnosticism seems a more acceptable step...not asserting that God exists but not assuming He doesn't either.

Why the certainty God doesn't exist?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Servus_Mariae' date='07 November 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1257628083' post='1997830']
Then why the certainty as to the rejection of theism? Agnosticism seems a more acceptable step...not asserting that God exists but not assuming He doesn't either.

Why the certainty God doesn't exist?
[/quote]

In past debates I do not think he knows or whats to know. It would seem that he would rather live in ignorant bliss.

[pat22]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='07 November 2009 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1257628285' post='1997832']
In past debates I do not think he knows or whats to know. It would seem that he would rather live in ignorant bliss.
[/quote]
If that were so he probably wouldn't be on this phorum.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='pat22' date='07 November 2009 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1257632398' post='1997859']
If that were so he probably wouldn't be on this phorum.
[/quote]

Ah subconsciously that is likely true.

[Varg]

[quote name='Servus_Mariae' date='07 November 2009 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1257628083' post='1997830']
Then why the certainty as to the rejection of theism? Agnosticism seems a more acceptable step...not asserting that God exists but not assuming He doesn't either.

Why the certainty God doesn't exist?
[/quote]
Well do you know how god got here?

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 November 2009 - 05:55 PM' timestamp='1257634545' post='1997877']
Well do you know how god got here?
[/quote]

God is uncaused. If you do not believe in the pop theory, that existence just poped in to being. You too believe in a uncaused cause for existence.

[pat22]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 November 2009 - 05:55 PM' timestamp='1257634545' post='1997877']
Well do you know how god got here?
[/quote]
this is a rather legitimate question, Varg. obviously your not completely rejecting the possibility of a god, otherwise i can't fathom why you hang around here. Agnosticism is a more open-minded view of things.

bottom-line: you and i haven't been convinced with a satisfactory for a god. And we are not going to assume there is a god because we don't know how the heck we got here. but we are not satisfied with ignorance to our own existence. So i think Agnosticism is a better bet. unless you a an Atheist just for the sake of being rebellious

[Servus_Mariae]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 November 2009 - 05:55 PM' timestamp='1257634545' post='1997877']
Well do you know how god got here?
[/quote]

Knight of Christ gave a general answer which is similar to mine, in that God is the uncaused cause. I subscribe to the Thomistic approach to metaphysics in the I believe God to be reality itself. So...what caused reality?

Anyway...you answered my question with a question and I answered with another question and have one more: How do you know God didn't get here?

[pat22]

you asking him how an almighty being that he doesn't even believe in didn't get here (????). come on, this should be the other way around.

[Servus_Mariae]

[quote name='pat22' date='07 November 2009 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1257654575' post='1998029']
you asking him how an almighty being that he doesn't even believe in didn't get here (????). come on, this should be the other way around.
[/quote]

You have missed my point. I am trying to bring him back to the original question (mine anyway): Without a theory for the cause of the existence of the world how does he confidently subscribe to the notion that it is not God? Why does this particular hypothesis demand rejection? He responded by asking me how "God got here"; I gave Him a response to this as I understand it. He may disagree, that's fine. I wanted to follow up however by asking him how he knows with certainty that God doesn't exist.

[pat22]

I don't think he does certainly know that, despite what he claims.

let me get this strait, your response to the question " how did god get here?", is " god is a different reality"?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='pat22' date='07 November 2009 - 10:59 PM' timestamp='1257656399' post='1998044']
I don't think he does certainly know that, despite what he claims.

let me get this strait, your response to the question " how did god get here?", is " god is a different reality"?
[/quote]
No, he said God IS reality.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='08 November 2009 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1257656999' post='1998052']
No, he said God IS reality.
[/quote]

"I am who am"