HisChildForever Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1258503535' post='2004550'] true enough, but if hassan spends all his posts defending against such claims as "all muslims are terrists!!" and other such extreme viewpoints, [/quote] Who said that all Muslims are terrorists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1258503720' post='2004552'] I wish I were American. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 05:18 PM' timestamp='1258503535' post='2004550'] true enough, but if hassan spends all his posts defending against such claims as "all muslims are terrists!!" and other such extreme viewpoints, then you have little to base his general view of Islam as a whole on. yes he doesnt believe Islam is as bad as you claim, but he hardly supports it as generally flawless either. [/quote] I think if you read my posts you will see that I have never said that all Muslims are terrorists. I tend to speak only about the theological and ideological teachings of Islam. To be honest I pity the members of the Islamic religion, for they have embraced falsehood and become enslaved to error, but by the grace of God poured out upon the world through the incarnation of the eternal Logos, His passion, death, resurrection, and ascension into glory, they can be freed from the delusion of the Arabian false prophet and find truth and joy in Christ Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1258503720' post='2004552'] I wish i was an american. [/quote] What can i say, i said many stupid things in my youth, but at least i didn't inhale unlike Winchester! [quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 November 2009 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1258503794' post='2004553'] Who said that all Muslims are terrorists? [/quote] [quote name='Apotheoun' date='17 November 2009 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1258503941' post='2004556'] I think if you read my posts you will see that I have never said that all Muslims are terrorists. I tend to speak only about the theological and ideological teachings of Islam. To be honest I pity the members of the Islamic religion, for they have embraced falsehood and become enslaved to error, but by the grace of God poured out upon the world through the incarnation of the eternal Logos, His passion, death, resurrection, and ascension into glory, they can be freed from the delusion of the Arabian false prophet and find truth and joy in Christ Jesus. [/quote] sorry i wasnt referring to you two. was actually remembering the last time i saw a majority of Hassans posts regarding Muslims, that was a little while ago before MV was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1258504839' post='2004569'] What can i say, i said many stupid things in my youth, [/quote] You're 21. [quote] but at least i didn't inhale unlike Winchester![/quote] Oxygen deprivation would explain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='17 November 2009 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1258504839' post='2004569'] sorry i wasnt referring to you two. was actually remembering the last time i saw a majority of Hassans posts regarding Muslims, that was a little while ago before MV was banned. [/quote] I have no problem with posts like that. I just do not like when he asserts that there is no connection between Islam (as a religious movement) and violence, because I have read enough Islamic texts to know that that assertion is false. Mohammad often encouraged violent jihad. Edited November 18, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='17 November 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1258504964' post='2004570'] You're 21. Oxygen deprivation would explain things. [/quote] yeah, but when i posted, i was indeed younger than i am now, in accordance with the passing of time. thus the reference to my youth. but on the other hand im really good at swimming underwater! [quote name='Apotheoun' date='17 November 2009 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1258505036' post='2004571'] I have no problem with posts like that. I just do not like when he asserts that there is no connection between Islam (as a religious movement) and violence, because I have read enough Islamic texts to know that that assertion is false. Mohammad often encouraged violent jihad. [/quote] see, when you referred to Hassan's history of posting regarding Islam, "posts like that" are the ones i assumed you were referring to. and it did seem like you were justifying the acts of the Serbians by laying the blame with a history of muslim oppression. that isnt right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 i don't think any one of us believes that all muslims are terrorists... ...but most terrorists these days are muslim [i]extremists[/i]... ...see the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='17 November 2009 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1258497680' post='2004457'] I have never heard you criticize any of the texts in the Quran, the Sahih al-Bukhari, the Sahih al-Muslim, et al., that speak of jihad against non-muslims. For example: I have not seen any comments by you that are critical of the powerpoint presentation written by Hasan and released recently on the internet; instead, when I posted a video that shows that British Muslims hold similar views to those expressed by Hasan in his own writings, you put your head in the sand and say that there is no connection. Much of what you write on Islam would be funny if it were not for the fact that it is so disturbing. [/quote] I believe I called the punishment system of Islamic law "Draconian". The mandate for that system is found partly in the Qur'an and predominantly in the Hadith. I am therefore calling the mandates found in those texts draconian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='17 November 2009 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1258497988' post='2004461'] The moment some kind of violent event motivated by Islamic ideology occurs in the world, I know that you will be on Phatmass excusing the evil actions performed in the name of that cult, while talking about how Islam is really a misunderstood religion of peace. [/quote] No, I will however refute the absurd and generalized conclusions often derived from those instances of violence on the part of Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' date='17 November 2009 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1258513527' post='2004639'] I believe I called the punishment system of Islamic law "Draconian". The mandate for that system is found partly in the Qur'an and predominantly in the Hadith. I am therefore calling the mandates found in those texts draconian. [/quote] Wowzers! You sound so convincing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 November 2009 - 06:38 PM' timestamp='1258501093' post='2004503'] Hassan also gets nice and snippy when Islam is criticized. If I do so recall, the last time we "discussed" Islam, you were supporting Muhammad's pedophili [/quote] No. No. No. No. No. A thousand times no. I corrected your absurd twisting of my comments across page after page. I stated my position in as clear and simply English as I knew how. If you genuinely took that from my comments then I'm sorry but I really don't know how to spoon feed the point to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' date='17 November 2009 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1258513918' post='2004643'] No. No. No. No. No. A thousand times no. I corrected your absurd twisting of my comments across page after page. I stated my position in as clear and simply English as I knew how. If you genuinely took that from my comments then I'm sorry but I really don't know how to spoon feed the point to you. [/quote] Snip snip snip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='17 November 2009 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1258513866' post='2004642'] Wowzers! You sound so convincing! [/quote] Convincing about what? Do you not believe that I find the punishments draconian? I have been using that exact adjective to describe them for at least nearly a year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' date='17 November 2009 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1258514000' post='2004645'] Convincing about what? Do you not believe that I find the punishments draconian? I have been using that exact adjective to describe them for at least nearly a year now. [/quote] Forgive me for not drooling over your every post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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