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Should Obama Bow To The Emperor Of Japan?


Should have Obama bowed to the Emperor of Japan  

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princessgianna
Posted

[url="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/comments_blog/2009/11/obama-bows-to-japan-emperor-akihito.html"]My link[/url]

My problems with Obama bowing is 1) his bow was incorrect for two reasons 1)his hands should be at his side since he is a guy 2)since he is a leader of another nation at the very most his bow should be a [b]returned[/b] bow at a 45 degree angle-MOST. 90 degree bow was out of protocol. That was almost prostrate in Japanese terms. Have a little dignity Mr.Obama you are representing America.

President Obama,
Next time you go to bow-do your homework!
thanks-
PG~

The bow that Obama did was not at all fitting and the Emperor did NOT return the bow which meant that it was not proper to bow SINCE the emperor figured they are "equal" (both are leaders of nations). And it was obviously not according to agenda.

Posted

If he is bowing, then he can not forse us to bow to him.

Chestertonian
Posted (edited)

I voted "no." We're Americans, we never bow down to a head-of-state.

Edited by Chestertonian
Posted

He can the minute he leaves office, but as long as he is President of the US, he should not be bowing, just as we never dip our flag at the Olympics.

Posted

Honestly who cares? I get that a lot of conservatives dislike the guy but surely there are better things to criticize than the way he bows (this reminds me of the Obabma golf thing). How petty. If it was an Australian Prime Minister the Emperor probably would have gotten a handshake and been offered a beer.

Posted

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 06:52 PM' timestamp='1258937538' post='2007597']
Honestly who cares? I get that a lot of conservatives dislike the guy but surely there are better things to criticize than the way he bows (this reminds me of the Obabma golf thing). How petty. If it was an Australian Prime Minister the Emperor probably would have gotten a handshake and been offered a beer.
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This is something non Americans can't understand, I think.

Posted (edited)

America takes patriotism to a whole new level that others in many countries couldn't even imagine. It's really quite disturbing actually.

"as long as he is President of the US, he should not be bowing, just as we never dip our flag at the Olympics."

Why?

Edited by OraProMe
KnightofChrist
Posted

As was explained in the other thread in Open Mic. It is against American policy and tradition to bow before Kings, Queens, and etc. It is a sign of servitude.

Posted

Well that's the mentality I'm talking about. It's a sign of respect and America has no reason to think itself superior to Japan.

KnightofChrist
Posted

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 08:42 PM' timestamp='1258940528' post='2007627']
Well that's the mentality I'm talking about. It's a sign of respect and America has no reason to think itself superior to Japan.
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No it is not, its the type of mentality you twist and bend to fit in the prejudged template you've made. The policy of not bowing to Kings is there for a reason, being concerned over the matter, seeing that it was wrong is not over analyzing. 'Conservatives' are being trashed simply because they analyzed the issue.

Posted

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1258939297' post='2007615']
America takes patriotism to a whole new level that others in many countries couldn't even imagine. It's really quite disturbing actually.

"as long as he is President of the US, he should not be bowing, just as we never dip our flag at the Olympics."

Why?
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FWIW, I never understood it either, and I'm American.

But I was raised by cats, so what do I know?

(As princessgianna pointed out, that [i]is[/i] a wacked-out badly done bow. Whole different issue, though.)

Posted

If he had followed American presidential protocol he wouldn't have performed a whacked out bow, because he wouldn't have bowed at all.

Posted

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='22 November 2009 - 08:49 PM' timestamp='1258940945' post='2007628']
No it is not, its the type of mentality you twist and bend to fit in the prejudged template you've made. [b]The policy of not bowing to Kings is there for a reason,[/b] being concerned over the matter, seeing that it was wrong is not over analyzing. 'Conservatives' are being trashed simply because they analyzed the issue.
[/quote]

What would that reason be?

KnightofChrist
Posted

It is a sign of servitude.

Posted

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 07:17 PM' timestamp='1258942653' post='2007640']
What would that reason be?
[/quote]
The American people rebelled against a royal system of government, and established a republic.

princessgianna
Posted (edited)

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 08:42 PM' timestamp='1258940528' post='2007627']
Well that's the mentality I'm talking about. It's a sign of respect and America has no reason to think itself superior to Japan.
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If you read my first post you will see that I am not [b]totally[/b] against Obama doing the bow as much as he did it wrong* and the Emperor did [b]NOT[/b] do it first).

*therefore giving the wrong impression of being a subordiate being to the Emperor of Japan. The 90 degree bow was inappropriate. As explained in my first post.

Edited by princessgianna
Posted

[quote name='OraProMe' date='22 November 2009 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1258939297' post='2007615']
America takes patriotism to a whole new level that others in many countries couldn't even imagine. It's really quite disturbing actually.

"as long as he is President of the US, he should not be bowing, just as we never dip our flag at the Olympics."

Why?
[/quote]
Why? Because America gained its sovereign independence through a revolutionary war. Yes, that is right, Americans fought for their right to be free from royal power, while some modern nations gained their freedom through an act of the British parliament (e.g., Australia).

princessgianna
Posted

[img]http://images.theweek.com/dir_31/the_week_15828_27.jpg[/img]

Posted (edited)

PG, what does it mean when two people bow at the same time to each other?

Also, is eye contact good or bad while bowing? Different people have different ideas on that.

Edited by Nihil Obstat
princessgianna
Posted (edited)

It means that both people are bowing. :)

You have to realize that a bow between a Japanese and a Japanese as opposed to a Japanese to a non Japanese is handled different. And a bow between Emperor and the American President should be slight because they both are leaders. If anything the Emperor would do a deeper bow- because the Japanese are very humble people. And most likely the Emperor did not return the bow because they were in a middle of a handshake. And it would not be proper to bow in the middle of that.


All eye contact is actaully bad. It makes the Japanese nervous. We make eye contact to show the talker we are listening. They normally don't. Instead they "grunt" . Though they understand we are Americans are used to that so they deal with it.

Edited by princessgianna

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