Is Oral Catholic Tradition Solid?

[Drew-Memphis]

[quote name='Winchester' date='04 December 2009 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1259988459' post='2014733']
Fixed it.
[/quote]

Oh, Winchester, your grammar skills amaze me...

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='04 December 2009 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1259987997' post='2014718']
I claim the Catholic and Christian churches misrepresent God. If your not humble enought to test the evendence then you make the grave you lie in.

God Bless
[/quote]
I claim the non-Christian, and specifically non-Catholic Churches/churches misrepresent God. If one is not humble enough to test the evidence, then he makes the grave in which he lies.

[Servus_Mariae]

I am still waiting on a point by point refutation of my grotesquely long post.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='04 December 2009 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1259988832' post='2014741']
I claim the non-Christian, and specifically non-Catholic Churches/churches misrepresent God. If one is not humble enough to test the evidence, then he makes the grave in which he lies.
[/quote]

What then is a protestent to think when Catholic Doctrine (the bible) misrepresents God?

[list][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible the word of God?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible inspired by the Holy Spirit and perfect in every way?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Can any lie be found in the bible if inspired by the holy spirit who leads to all truth?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Was Jesus the Passover Lamb in the year that He died?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:19&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 6:19[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A false witnesses who speaks [b]lies[/b], and one who sows [b]discord[/b] among brethren.[/size]

[size="3"][b]dis·cord:[/b] (d s kôrd ) n.[i].[/i] [b]1. a. [/b]Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. [b]b. [/b]Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.[/size][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]If a False witness is one who speaks lies and only sows discord, Can they take the Gospel of Jesus to the world?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+14:25&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 14:25[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A [b]true[/b] witnesses delivers [b]souls[/b], But a deceitful witness speaks lies.[/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If a true witness delivers souls then No lie will be found in their testimony. Have you told me any lies while answering the first 4 questions?[/font][/size]
[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Leviticus 23 NKJV[/font][/size][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]4'These [i]are[/i] the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 [b][u]On the fourteenth [i]day[/i] of the first month at twilight [i]is[/i] the Lord's Passover.[/u][/b] 6 [b][u]And on the fifteenth day of the same month [i]is[/i] the Feast of Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day [i]shall be[/i] a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work [i]on it.[/i]'"[/font][/size]

[b][u][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Exodus 12[/font][/size][/u][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"][b]6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month.[/b] Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. [/font][/size]

[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Does Matthew 26 tell a lie based on the Laws of Moses if Jesus was the passover Lamb?[/font][/size][/b][*][b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Matthew 26: 17-18 [/font][/size][/b]

[font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]17 Now [b][u]on the first [i]day of the Feast[/i] of the Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, "Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the Passover?" 18 And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is at hand; [b][u]I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples."[/u][/b]'" [/size][/font][*][size="3"] [/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Why does this bible verse speak two lies?[/font][/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If Jesus was alive on the first day of Unleavened bread (15[sup]th[/sup] day) How did He die on the 14[sup]th[/sup] day? [/font][/size][/list]

Edited December 6, 2009 by todd_vetter33

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='05 December 2009 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1260058572' post='2015116']
What then is a protestent to think when Catholic Doctrine (the bible) misrepresents God?

[/quote]
It doesn't.
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[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='05 December 2009 - 03:53 PM' timestamp='1259988832' post='2014741']
I claim the non-Christian, and specifically non-Catholic Churches/churches misrepresent God. If one is not humble enough to test the evidence, then he makes the grave in which he lies.
[/quote]
Exactly true! Some people sound more like Scribes and Pharisees than Jesus with their views on the denominations/religions of others.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='05 December 2009 - 07:16 PM' timestamp='1260058572' post='2015116']
What then is a protestent to think when Catholic Doctrine (the bible) misrepresents God?

[list][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible the word of God?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible inspired by the Holy Spirit and perfect in every way?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Can any lie be found in the bible if inspired by the holy spirit who leads to all truth?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Was Jesus the Passover Lamb in the year that He died?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:19&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 6:19[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A false witnesses who speaks [b]lies[/b], and one who sows [b]discord[/b] among brethren.[/size]

[size="3"][b]dis·cord:[/b] (d s kôrd ) n.[i].[/i] [b]1. a. [/b]Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. [b]b. [/b]Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.[/size][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]If a False witness is one who speaks lies and only sows discord, Can they take the Gospel of Jesus to the world?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+14:25&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 14:25[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A [b]true[/b] witnesses delivers [b]souls[/b], But a deceitful witness speaks lies.[/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If a true witness delivers souls then No lie will be found in their testimony. Have you told me any lies while answering the first 4 questions?[/font][/size]
[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Leviticus 23 NKJV[/font][/size][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]4'These [i]are[/i] the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 [b][u]On the fourteenth [i]day[/i] of the first month at twilight [i]is[/i] the Lord's Passover.[/u][/b] 6 [b][u]And on the fifteenth day of the same month [i]is[/i] the Feast of Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day [i]shall be[/i] a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work [i]on it.[/i]'"[/font][/size]

[b][u][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Exodus 12[/font][/size][/u][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"][b]6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month.[/b] Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. [/font][/size]

[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Does Matthew 26 tell a lie based on the Laws of Moses if Jesus was the passover Lamb?[/font][/size][/b][*][b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Matthew 26: 17-18 [/font][/size][/b]

[font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]17 Now [b][u]on the first [i]day of the Feast[/i] of the Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, "Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the Passover?" 18 And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is at hand; [b][u]I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples."[/u][/b]'" [/size][/font][*][size="3"] [/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Why does this bible verse speak two lies?[/font][/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If Jesus was alive on the first day of Unleavened bread (15[sup]th[/sup] day) How did He die on the 14[sup]th[/sup] day? [/font][/size][/list]
[/quote]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='05 December 2009 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1260058572' post='2015116']
What then is a protestent to think when Catholic Doctrine (the bible) misrepresents God?

[list][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible the word of God?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Is the bible inspired by the Holy Spirit and perfect in every way?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Can any lie be found in the bible if inspired by the holy spirit who leads to all truth?[/size][/font][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]Was Jesus the Passover Lamb in the year that He died?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+6:19&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 6:19[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A false witnesses who speaks [b]lies[/b], and one who sows [b]discord[/b] among brethren.[/size]

[size="3"][b]dis·cord:[/b] (d s kôrd ) n.[i].[/i] [b]1. a. [/b]Lack of agreement among persons, groups, or things. [b]b. [/b]Tension or strife resulting from a lack of agreement; dissension.[/size][*][font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]If a False witness is one who speaks lies and only sows discord, Can they take the Gospel of Jesus to the world?[/size][/font]

[b][url="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+14:25&version=NKJV"][size="3"][color="#0000ff"]Proverbs 14:25[/color][/size][/url][/b]
[size="3"]A [b]true[/b] witnesses delivers [b]souls[/b], But a deceitful witness speaks lies.[/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If a true witness delivers souls then No lie will be found in their testimony. Have you told me any lies while answering the first 4 questions?[/font][/size]
[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Leviticus 23 NKJV[/font][/size][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]4'These [i]are[/i] the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 [b][u]On the fourteenth [i]day[/i] of the first month at twilight [i]is[/i] the Lord's Passover.[/u][/b] 6 [b][u]And on the fifteenth day of the same month [i]is[/i] the Feast of Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day [i]shall be[/i] a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work [i]on it.[/i]'"[/font][/size]

[b][u][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Exodus 12[/font][/size][/u][/b]

[size="3"][font="Times New Roman"][b]6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month.[/b] Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. [/font][/size]

[b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Does Matthew 26 tell a lie based on the Laws of Moses if Jesus was the passover Lamb?[/font][/size][/b][*][b][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Matthew 26: 17-18 [/font][/size][/b]

[font="Times New Roman"][size="3"]17 Now [b][u]on the first [i]day of the Feast[/i] of the Unleavened Bread[/u][/b] the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, "Where do you want us to prepare for you to eat the Passover?" 18 And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is at hand; [b][u]I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples."[/u][/b]'" [/size][/font][*][size="3"] [/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]Why does this bible verse speak two lies?[/font][/size][*][size="3"][font="Times New Roman"]If Jesus was alive on the first day of Unleavened bread (15[sup]th[/sup] day) How did He die on the 14[sup]th[/sup] day? [/font][/size][/list]
[/quote]
Why are you so hung up on dates and numbers? Do you think the Bible is some sort of mystical calendar, or the sacred writers cared about newspaper type accuracy?

[Servus_Mariae]

still waitin'.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Servus_Mariae' date='06 December 2009 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1260078910' post='2015252']
still waitin'.
[/quote]
S/he probably doesn't read long posts, s/he probably only posts them. I even wonder if s/he reads his/er own posts?

Edited December 7, 2009 by Mark of the Cross

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Winchester' date='04 December 2009 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1259988459' post='2014733']
Fixed it.
[/quote]
Lawl... this is why you lost your scholardom/mod-dom.

joking!

[Servus_Mariae]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='06 December 2009 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1260159276' post='2015580']
S/he probably doesn't read long posts, s/he probably only posts them. I even wonder if s/he reads his/er own posts?
[/quote]


You know...I was wondering the same thing.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' date='07 December 2009 - 12:59 AM' timestamp='1260165591' post='2015615']
Lawl... this is why you lost your scholardom/mod-dom.

joking!
[/quote]
It's only one of many reasons. All of them good.