Muslims On Flight Cause Panic

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='Socrates' date='09 December 2009 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1260408001' post='2017079']
Yeah, they were probably just rednecks in turbans who happened to speak fluent Arabic.
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You're missing the point.

Just because someone speaks Arabic necessarily doesn't mean they are Muslims.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='09 December 2009 - 08:18 PM' timestamp='1260407914' post='2017077']
This is like having another Hassan at Phatmass.
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Who's idea was it to go over to their forum again?

[Winchester]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1260407469' post='2017069']
Typical Islamophobia.

Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs.
In fact, most Arabs don't even speak fluent/proper Arabic.
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In fairness, we aren't seeing klansmen or buddhists hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings. We aren't fighting against Canadians or Jews. It was a sensible reaction.

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='Winchester' date='09 December 2009 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1260413511' post='2017167']
In fairness, we aren't seeing klansmen or buddhists hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings. We aren't fighting against Canadians or Jews. It was a sensible reaction.
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So, if I see a man with long hair and a beard, I am automatically supposed to assume he's a hippy?
That's like racial profiling, if truth be told.

[Winchester]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 09:54 PM' timestamp='1260413673' post='2017171']
So, if I see a man with long hair and a beard, I am automatically supposed to assume he's a hippy?
That's like racial profiling, if truth be told.
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It's more like cultural profiling.

I like to think Muslims and Catholics are above the lame modern rhetoric.

Many years ago, I had long hair, drove a 71 VW Campmobile. I got pulled over at 2AM by a cop. You know how many times he asked if I had drugs? He profiled. In talking to me, he got that I wasn't a dirty hippie.

We're not talking about some guy who was speaking Arabic. We're talking about a guy speaking Arabic and disobeying orders on the plane. That will get you booted no matter what, and with the other behaviors, it's lucky no one got tased or shot. Profiling works if used properly, and when it's wrong, too bad. Get over it.

Edited December 10, 2009 by Winchester

[Pomak]

[quote]Profiling works if used properly, and when it's wrong, too bad. Get over it. [/quote]

Except that usually it doesn't. To quote a Muslim comedian, "If I was to go and try to blow up the plane, this(pointing to his rather large beard) isn't really the look I would go with. Not exactly discreet".

And how would you profile Muslims?
Beard- I know tons of people who are Muslim but have no beards and I know non Muslims who have massive beards
Turban/kufi- Not all Muslims wear them and personally when I wear it, I get asked if I am a Jew lol
Skin color- well not sure all those Latino and African Christians would appreciate it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Pomak' date='09 December 2009 - 10:39 PM' timestamp='1260416396' post='2017221']
Except that usually it doesn't. To quote a Muslim comedian, "If I was to go and try to blow up the plane, this(pointing to his rather large beard) isn't really the look I would go with. Not exactly discreet".

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You got statistics on profiling?
You know anything about it beyond liberal press bullshinobi?
I can guess a guy who plays D&D fairly accurately. Some people fly under the radar, but ignoring common attributes is asinine. Again, I like to think Muslims and Catholics and Jews (I forgot Jews, last time) have some common sense still living in their cultures. This pretending appearances tell us nothing is for liberal white devils.

That is a funny joke, though.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='09 December 2009 - 08:11 PM' timestamp='1260407469' post='2017069']
Typical Islamophobia.

Not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs.
In fact, most Arabs don't even speak fluent/proper Arabic.
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not all muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are muslim... (it's a fact, not "islamophobia."

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='10 December 2009 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1260456834' post='2017422']
not all muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are muslim... (it's a fact, not "islamophobia."
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Islamophobia as I see it.
Majority doesn't apply to every single bearded, turban-wearing, Arabic speaking guy you meet.

Edited December 10, 2009 by bhrhrahraa

[HisChildForever]

You guys are really quick to discredit anyone who speaks against Islam or against a Muslim - even if the person speaking out is entirely justified and their information based on fact.

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 11:07 AM' timestamp='1260461271' post='2017478']
You guys are really quick to discredit anyone who speaks against Islam or against a Muslim - even if the person speaking out is entirely justified and their information based on fact.
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Eh, that's too bad sweetheart.
At least we aren't hypocritical, stereotypical or fear religion.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='10 December 2009 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1260461539' post='2017481']
Eh, that's too bad sweetheart.
At least we aren't hypocritical, stereotypical or fear religion.
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I know this is a new experience for you, being talked back to by a woman, so I'm going to let your condescension slide.

So has a Muslim ever done something wrong (let's be specific and say a significant Muslim leader) or are you all just perfect?

Edited December 10, 2009 by HisChildForever

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 11:20 AM' timestamp='1260462000' post='2017490']
I know this is a new experience for you, being talked back to by a womans, so I'm going to let your condescension slide.

So has a Muslim ever done something wrong (let's be specific and say a significant Muslim leader) or are you all just perfect?
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Oooo, what a blow to my ego!
Woman? Are we talking about yourself here? What a joke.

I can ask you the same question.

Edited December 10, 2009 by bhrhrahraa

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='10 December 2009 - 11:05 AM' timestamp='1260461103' post='2017476']
Islamophobia as I see it.
Majority doesn't apply to every single bearded, turban-wearing, Arabic speaking guy you meet.
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of course as you see it, it's islamophobia...but what I said is a fact...not an opinion.

maybe that's why there was such a fuss on this plane...it's not that people are islamophobics, it's cause of the bad record muslims have when it comes to terrorism...

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='bhrhrahraa' date='10 December 2009 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1260462229' post='2017493']
Oooo, what a blow to my ego!
Woman? Are we talking about yourself here? What a joke.[/quote]

Another demonstration of my point.

[quote]I can ask you the same question.
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I have never denied that there has existed, and there does exist, corrupted Catholic and non-Catholic Christian leaders.

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 11:30 AM' timestamp='1260462610' post='2017500']
Another demonstration of my point.



I have never denied that there has existed, and there does exist, corrupted Catholic and non-Catholic Christian leaders.
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And you're claiming that we think Muslims are perfect?
Human beings are born to be human beings, resulting in sins, mistakes, etc. We wouldn't be human otherwise. We have free-will as well.
Right, so there have been corrupt Catholic leaders, right? So tell me, does that speak for the rest of Catholics because of whatever this leader may have done? If you can answer that question, then you'll get your answer for mine by yourself.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='10 December 2009 - 11:20 AM' timestamp='1260462000' post='2017490']
[b]I know this is a new experience for you, being talked back to by a woman, so I'm going to let your condescension slide.[/b]

So has a Muslim ever done something wrong (let's be specific and say a significant Muslim leader) or are you all just perfect?
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IMO this was a very disrespectful remark.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='10 December 2009 - 09:44 AM' timestamp='1260463451' post='2017519']
IMO this was a very disrespectful remark.
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Actually bhrhrahraa remarks were disrespectful, but you evidently you didn't read his post.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 December 2009 - 11:48 AM' timestamp='1260463730' post='2017521']
Actually bhrhrahraa remarks were disrespectful, but you evidently you didn't read his post.
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of course not, bhrhrah (whatever his name is)...he's a non-believer...what non-believers say on this board we MUST respect...but any sign of the rest of us getting out of line...there's someone quick to criticize and judge...

...okay...i'm gonna stop pointing out the obvious now... continue...

[bhrhrahraa]

[quote name='dominicansoul' date='10 December 2009 - 11:58 AM' timestamp='1260464312' post='2017531']
of course not, bhrhrah (whatever his name is)...he's a non-believer...what non-believers say on this board we MUST respect...but any sign of the rest of us getting out of line...there's someone quick to criticize and judge...

...okay...i'm gonna stop pointing out the obvious now... continue...
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How is that even relevant to any of this? I'm the believer and you're the infidel.

Edited December 10, 2009 by bhrhrahraa