Selah Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Thought I'd change it up a bit Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='Selah' date='12 December 2009 - 03:45 PM' timestamp='1260621941' post='2019031'] Thought I'd change it up a bit [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/detective.gif[/img] Discuss. [/quote] As a matter of fact, there is a flourishing community of Zoroastrians in India. The conductor Zubin Mehta is from that community. They are known as Parsees, which is to say their original home was Iran [Farsi is the language spoken in Iran]. I don't know much about their beliefs, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) I think Rexi said he thought zoroastrianism was interesting once, if I remember correctly. Edited December 12, 2009 by zunshynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 All me to give a pre-game synopsis: 1) it's evil 2) It's of the devil 3) why are we talking about this? 4) cause it's evil! 5) I'm an atheist, so this is another flying spaghetti monster!!11! 6) what is their position on homosexuality? 7) doesn't matter, it's prolly different than ours, so it's evil. 8) what is not of God is of the Devil. 9) Some ancient guy in church history extended an olive branch to them 10)IT DOESN'T MATTER..IT WASN'T DOGMATIC!!!!!111!11!1!1! btw, i am smarter than you, obviously. 11) 19 different phatmasser invade a zoroastrian board 12) 19 zoroastrians invade our board. 13) we go out for curry, they eat with their hands. 14) SOMEone notes aloud, cleanliness is next to godliness. 15) food fight ensues 16) Everyone has to get curry stains out of their clothes. SRSLY... I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR CURRY STAINS!!!!!! THEY NEVER COME OUT!!!! NO MATTER WHAT!!! 17) topic continues on how to get curry stains out of clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [img]http://www.qwipster.net/legendofzorro.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='zunshynn' date='12 December 2009 - 08:15 AM' timestamp='1260623708' post='2019040'] I think Rexi said he thought zoroastrianism was interesting once, if I remember correctly. [/quote] Yes, I made a thread a thread about Zoroastrianism as well. In general, Zoroastrianism can be said to be monotheistic, though, like Islam, it gets many things incorrect about God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I know of some Zoroastrians who "Went home by another Way." ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='Sternhauser' date='12 December 2009 - 09:41 AM' timestamp='1260625274' post='2019046'] I know of some Zoroastrians who "Went home by another Way." [/quote] What's that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Paddington' date='12 December 2009 - 09:56 AM' timestamp='1260626190' post='2019049'] What's that mean? [/quote] It's a reference to the Magi, who were almost certainly Zoroastrians. They were warned by an angel to not respect what came out of King Herod's mouth, and "went home by another way," which can be interpreted, beyond the literal sense, as a subtle way of saying that they had converted, at least in part, to the worship of Christ, who is "The Way, the Truth, and the Life." They came as Zoroastrians, and left as changed men. They were truth seekers. James Taylor told the story quite beautifully in a deeper context, in his song "Home By Another Way." Brings home the problem of trying to claim "the things that are God's." Home By Another Way by James Taylor Those magic men the Magi Some people call them wise Or Oriental, even kings Well anyway, those guys They visited with Jesus They sure enjoyed their stay Then warned in a dream of King Herod's scheme They went home by another way Yes they went home by another way Home by another way Maybe me and you can be wise guys too And go home by another way We can make it another way Safe home as they used to say Keep a weather eye to the chart on high And go home another way Steer clear of royal welcomes Avoid a big to-do A king who would slaughter the innocents Will not cut a deal for you He really, really wants those presents He'll comb your camel's fur Until his boys announce they've found trace amounts Of your frankincense, gold and myrrh Time to go home by another way Home by another way You have to figure the Gods saying play the odds And go home by another way We can make it another way Safe home as they used to say Keep a weather eye to the chart on high And go home another way Home is where they want you now You can more or less assume that you'll be welcome in the end Mustn't let King Herod haunt you so Or fantasize his features when you're looking at a friend Well it pleasures me to be here And to sing this song tonight They tell me that life is a miracle And I figured that they're right But Herod's always out there He's got our cards on file It's a lead pipe cinch, if we give an inch Old Herod likes to take a mile It's best to go home by another way Home by another way We got this far to a lucky star But tomorrow is another day We can make it another way Safe home as they used to say Keep a weather eye to the chart on high And go home another way [url="http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/james+taylor/home+by+another+way_20069229.html"]http://www.lyricsfre...y_20069229.html[/url] ~Sternhauser Edited December 12, 2009 by Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 ^ That's pretty cool. I have a new respect for James Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' date='12 December 2009 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1260625274' post='2019046'] I know of some Zoroastrians who "Went home by another Way." ~Sternhauser [/quote] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Magi_%281%29.jpg[/img] Edited December 12, 2009 by Resurrexi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antigonos Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Classical Persian Zoroastrianism posited that there was a principle of pure evil [Achriman] and one of pure good [Ahura Mazda], represented by darkness and light [fire] in cosmic and eternal battle with each other until the End Time, when Ahura Mazda would prevail. It also had a very rich demonology which entered folk tales of many societies. Zoroastrianism had a rather profound influence on a number of other religions, over time. Certainly certain concepts were syncretistically adopted into Judaism, as the later prophetical writings show, and various forms of early Christianity were also affected -- nearly all the dualistic heresies such as the Albigensian were strongly affected by it. I don't know whether modern Zoroastrian thinking has changed in any significant way. Joseph Campbell's "The Masks of God: Oriental Mythology" [and possibly the next volume in the series, Occidental Mythology, as well] deals with the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sternhauser Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='Antigonos' date='12 December 2009 - 12:06 PM' timestamp='1260633988' post='2019089'] Classical Persian Zoroastrianism posited that there was a principle of pure evil [Achriman] and one of pure good [Ahura Mazda], represented by darkness and light [fire] in cosmic and eternal battle with each other until the End Time, when Ahura Mazda would prevail. It also had a very rich demonology which entered folk tales of many societies. Zoroastrianism had a rather profound influence on a number of other religions, over time. Certainly certain concepts were syncretistically adopted into Judaism, as the later prophetical writings show, and various forms of early Christianity were also affected -- nearly all the dualistic heresies such as the Albigensian were strongly affected by it. I don't know whether modern Zoroastrian thinking has changed in any significant way. Joseph Campbell's "The Masks of God: Oriental Mythology" [and possibly the next volume in the series, Occidental Mythology, as well] deals with the subject. [/quote] The northern North American indians probably never heard of him, but some of them mirrored, in a sense, the teachings of Mani, too. Called the "manitou," ironically. Everything had a spirit, to the Algonquin, including inanimate beings. The Great Spirit (Gitche Manitou) warred with the bad manitou. The main (mani) point is that there was a good manitou, and a bad manitou. ~Sternhauser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted December 12, 2009 Author Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='12 December 2009 - 09:20 AM' timestamp='1260624018' post='2019042'] All me to give a pre-game synopsis: 1) it's evil 2) It's of the devil 3) why are we talking about this? 4) cause it's evil! 5) I'm an atheist, so this is another flying spaghetti monster!!11! 6) what is their position on homosexuality? 7) doesn't matter, it's prolly different than ours, so it's evil. 8) what is not of God is of the Devil. 9) Some ancient guy in church history extended an olive branch to them 10)IT DOESN'T MATTER..IT WASN'T DOGMATIC!!!!!111!11!1!1! btw, i am smarter than you, obviously. 11) 19 different phatmasser invade a zoroastrian board 12) 19 zoroastrians invade our board. 13) we go out for curry, they eat with their hands. 14) SOMEone notes aloud, cleanliness is next to godliness. 15) food fight ensues 16) Everyone has to get curry stains out of their clothes. SRSLY... I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR CURRY STAINS!!!!!! THEY NEVER COME OUT!!!! NO MATTER WHAT!!! 17) topic continues on how to get curry stains out of clothes. [/quote] You never cease to amaze me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommas_boy Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='12 December 2009 - 08:20 AM' timestamp='1260624018' post='2019042'] All me to give a pre-game synopsis: 1) it's evil 2) It's of the devil 3) why are we talking about this? 4) cause it's evil! 5) I'm an atheist, so this is another flying spaghetti monster!!11! 6) what is their position on homosexuality? 7) doesn't matter, it's prolly different than ours, so it's evil. 8) what is not of God is of the Devil. 9) Some ancient guy in church history extended an olive branch to them 10)IT DOESN'T MATTER..IT WASN'T DOGMATIC!!!!!111!11!1!1! btw, i am smarter than you, obviously. 11) 19 different phatmasser invade a zoroastrian board 12) 19 zoroastrians invade our board. 13) we go out for curry, they eat with their hands. 14) SOMEone notes aloud, cleanliness is next to godliness. 15) food fight ensues 16) Everyone has to get curry stains out of their clothes. SRSLY... I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR CURRY STAINS!!!!!! THEY NEVER COME OUT!!!! NO MATTER WHAT!!! 17) topic continues on how to get curry stains out of clothes. [/quote] My +1 for the day: funny, wise, and timely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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