XIX Posted December 20, 2009 Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Sorry. I'm mean. I'll pray for you though. Edited December 21, 2009 by XIX
mortify Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='20 December 2009 - 05:59 PM' timestamp='1261349944' post='2023697'] Prove it. [/quote] Why not pray yourself, it's not like it possess any difficulty
MIKolbe Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 proof? Addison Marie Corsetti. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=76253&view=&hl=addison&fromsearch=1"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=76253&view=&hl=addison&fromsearch=1[/url] At least do me the favor of reading the whole thing before you summarily dismiss it.
Winchester Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='20 December 2009 - 05:40 PM' timestamp='1261348819' post='2023675'] ...Prayer does nothing. It's useless and makes no difference to anything. Why bother? [/quote] Odin won't give you a pony, will he?
Marie-Therese Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='Varg' date='20 December 2009 - 05:59 PM' timestamp='1261349944' post='2023697'] Prove it. [/quote] Prove your OP. See how that works? At any rate, I will pray for you regardless of what you think about it.
humbleheart Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='21 December 2009 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1261352570' post='2023724'] I don't think happiness, health or safety are bad things to pray for. [/quote] Fidei, I was recently diagnosed with an illness that has a high mortality rate. I know that there is a possibility that I will die from it. Even if I recover from it, having had it will probably shorten my life expectancy considerably. I have also worked with some very ill people in a professional capacity, whose pain has outstripped my own by far. I don't know whether I will get better. I don't pray for that. I do pray for trust and peace, and these things are given to me, even when I'm sorely agitated and anxious and struggling to think straight. Sometimes I think of the lamps in the Temple, the ones that burned for eight days even though the oil was only limited (the Hannukah miracle). However, eventually it did give out. I trust that God will keep my oil burning for as long as it is needed, and no longer. I don't ask for anything else. I don't know why I became ill. Sometimes it seems so dreadfully unfair, as I'm only young and I have (had?) so much that I wanted to do with my life. Now that's all been taken from me. But I trust that everything that comes from God is pure gift, which is why this illness doesn't bring me down. I know that I can use it for good. In a strange way, it might be just what I needed. My prayer has become deeper since I became ill, and the love I have for other people has grown. Perhaps I would never have learnt to love this way if I hadn't become sick. I don't claim any credit for this - it isn't me at work here. It's all a bit beyond my comprehension, so I don't think or talk about it much. I just get on with my life. To live is to pray, after all.
MissyP89 Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='humbleheart' date='20 December 2009 - 07:36 PM' timestamp='1261355761' post='2023756'] Fidei, I was recently diagnosed with an illness that has a high mortality rate. I know that there is a possibility that I will die from it. Even if I recover from it, having had it will probably shorten my life expectancy considerably. I have also worked with some very ill people in a professional capacity, whose pain has outstripped my own by far. I don't know whether I will get better. I don't pray for that. I do pray for trust and peace, and these things are given to me, even when I'm sorely agitated and anxious and struggling to think straight. Sometimes I think of the lamps in the Temple, the ones that burned for eight days even though the oil was only limited (the Hannukah miracle). However, eventually it did give out. I trust that God will keep my oil burning for as long as it is needed, and no longer. I don't ask for anything else. I don't know why I became ill. Sometimes it seems so dreadfully unfair, as I'm only young and I have (had?) so much that I wanted to do with my life. Now that's all been taken from me. But I trust that everything that comes from God is pure gift, which is why this illness doesn't bring me down. I know that I can use it for good. In a strange way, it might be just what I needed. My prayer has become deeper since I became ill, and the love I have for other people has grown. Perhaps I would never have learnt to love this way if I hadn't become sick. I don't claim any credit for this - it isn't me at work here. It's all a bit beyond my comprehension, so I don't think or talk about it much. I just get on with my life. To live is to pray, after all. [/quote] I don't know your situation, but rest assured that we'll all be praying for you. Your attitude is inspiring to me.
XIX Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='20 December 2009 - 08:14 PM' timestamp='1261354460' post='2023745'] proof? Addison Marie Corsetti. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=76253&view=&hl=addison&fromsearch=1"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=76253&view=&hl=addison&fromsearch=1[/url] At least do me the favor of reading the whole thing before you summarily dismiss it. [/quote] Plus many.
dominicansoul Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Respectfully...' Varg, man... you just don't get it... you don't get what prayer is...it's not just saying words and asking for things hoping that Someone somewhere is listening... I am in an actual [i]relationship[/i] with God...I "see" Him, I "hear" Him, and He guides me...I have had profound experiences from the ordinary to the mystical that go beyond explanation... ...you may not get it...you may not understand it...you may not even want to know it...but the Truth is...God is real...and He answers prayers...not always the way I wish He would, but nevertheless, He does...and what a privilege it is just to receive an answer!
ThePenciledOne Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Trying to explain to atheists and non-believers the concept of praying, is like trying to teach a three-year old about physics.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' date='20 December 2009 - 06:44 PM' timestamp='1261352652' post='2023725'] This morning I prayed that you would start a silly thread. *high fives the room* [/quote] +1 *high fives hot stuff* Varg, just coming along and making a statement such as you did with no reasoning behind it is the mark of a troll. Really...we've come to expect better from you. I cannot prove to you the power of prayer any more than I can prove to you that Christianity is true. We accept our faith not because empirical evidence supports it, but because we have been moved and allowed ourselves to be moved, and we believe the testimony of the Church to be trustworthy on account of its reasoning as well as its beauty.
OraProMe Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 [quote name='dominicansoul' date='20 December 2009 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1261368163' post='2023882'] Respectfully...' Varg, man... you just don't get it... you don't get what prayer is...it's not just saying words and asking for things hoping that Someone somewhere is listening... I am in an actual [i]relationship[/i] with God...I "see" Him, I "hear" Him, and He guides me [/quote] Why are you using "..."? Do you see God or not? Do you hear him or not? If so then why the use of quotation marks and if not then why say it at all? [quote] ...I have had profound experiences from the ordinary to the mystical that go beyond explanation... [/quote] They don't go beyond explanation. Many people, including many that don't pray or are non-theists (buddhists for example), experience something similar through meditation. Then there are those, regardless of religion, who experience something similar through smoking pot. Those "profound" and "mystical" experiences are actually just chemical reactions in your brain.
dominicansoul Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) [quote name='OraProMe' date='20 December 2009 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1261369058' post='2023889'] Why are you using "..."? Do you see God or not? Do you hear him or not? If so then why the use of quotation marks and if not then why say it at all? They don't go beyond explanation. Many people, including many that don't pray or are non-theists (buddhists for example), experience something similar through meditation. Then there are those, regardless of religion, who experience something similar through smoking pot. Those "profound" and "mystical" experiences are actually just chemical reactions in your brain. [/quote] because I "see" not with the eyes...I "hear" not with the ears... as for the chemical reaction stuff...I'm sure God will get a laugh out of that the next time we talk... Edited December 21, 2009 by dominicansoul
Resurrexi Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) NVM Edited December 21, 2009 by Resurrexi
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