How The Universe Came Into Being

[Hassan]

[quote name='Socrates' date='05 January 2010 - 03:17 PM' timestamp='1262722631' post='2030308']
A big bang befits His Divine Power and Majesty so much better than a poof.
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Why? God loves density, extreme temperatures and general relativity?

[Hassan]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='05 January 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1262750296' post='2030595']
I read somewhere that Albert Einstein applauded Father Lemaitre's explanation of the Big Bang as an elegant explanation of Creation.
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Nope, just the opposite. "Your mathematics are correct but your physics are deplorable" or something like that. Einstein hated Lemaitre's theory for the same set of reasons he hated quantum theory. He was a classical determinist and a rationalist. His God was the Great Mathematician, not the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Hassan

[Arpy]

A Horrendous Space Kablooie befits His Divine Majesty so much better than a Big Bang.

[Hassan]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 01:52 AM' timestamp='1262760751' post='2030705']
Also I think there were some experiments where tiny particles randomly came into existence in a void. I think you'll probably disagree but it seems to me that void, meaning the absence of something, is indeed nothingness. If atoms and particles can come into existence from nothingness in an experiment then would it then be feasible that "nothingness" can indeed be a cause. Or the cause and effect are one and the same? Would existence have to be conscious and intelligent to be the cause of an effect (the universe)?
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We don't know what existed before the big band. The laws of physics were formed in those initial moments of the big bang and consequently we can't use them to study anything prior to or outside the scope of the big bang.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714']
We don't know what existed before the big band. The laws of physics were formed in those initial moments of the big bang and consequently we can't use them to study anything prior to or outside the scope of the big bang.
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So does that mean that we can't know if the big bang is a cause or an effect?

[Hassan]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 02:52 AM' timestamp='1262764325' post='2030732']
So does that mean that we can't know if the big bang is a cause or an effect?
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Honestly I don't know. It's been a while since I stutied math of physics seriously. I think Brian Green wrote a good book on this that you could look up.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 12:27 AM' timestamp='1262762867' post='2030712']
Nope, just the opposite. "Your mathematics are correct but your physics are deplorable" or something like that. Einstein hated Lemaitre's theory for the same set of reasons he hated quantum theory. He was a classical determinist and a rationalist. His God was the Great Mathematician, not the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
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[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 12:33 AM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714']
We don't know what existed before the big band. The laws of physics were formed in those initial moments of the big bang and consequently we can't use them to study anything prior to or outside the scope of the big bang.
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[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 12:55 AM' timestamp='1262764557' post='2030738']
Honestly I don't know. It's been a while since I stutied math of physics seriously. I think Brian Green wrote a good book on this that you could look up.
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Wow, Hassan... I would not recommend debating when you're drunk.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='06 January 2010 - 03:18 AM' timestamp='1262765925' post='2030752']
Wow, Hassan... I would not recommend debating when you're drunk.
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[Varg]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714']
We don't know what existed before the big [u]band[/u].
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Jazz, obviously.

[Winchester]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 01:52 AM' timestamp='1262760751' post='2030705']
Also I think there were some experiments where tiny particles randomly came into existence in a void. I think you'll probably disagree but it seems to me that void, meaning the absence of something, is indeed nothingness. If atoms and particles can come into existence from nothingness in an experiment then would it then be feasible that "nothingness" can indeed be a cause. Or the cause and effect are one and the same? Would existence have to be conscious and intelligent to be the cause of an effect (the universe)?
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There is no void, though. A vacuum as perfect as we can get it (with our measurements) isn't a "void"--it's still part of the universe, still subject to physical laws. Nothingness and vaccuum aren't synonyms.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 03:27 AM' timestamp='1262762867' post='2030712']
Nope, just the opposite. "Your mathematics are correct but your physics are deplorable" or something like that. Einstein hated Lemaitre's theory for the same set of reasons he hated quantum theory. He was a classical determinist and a rationalist. His God was the Great Mathematician, not the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
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http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0022.html

http://www.famousbelgians.net/lemaitre.htm

[Varg]

Lol, I've been reading you name as "cmontheupgirl" for ages. I only just figured it out >.<

[mommas_boy]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 12:47 AM' timestamp='1262756854' post='2030689']
I thought that it was a given that the universe isn't static? I thought it was ever expanding.
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Now it is. But Aquinas didn't have the benefit of modern science.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 02:24 AM' timestamp='1262762673' post='2030711']
Why? God loves density, extreme temperatures and general relativity?
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Yeah, God loves loud explosions, just like I do.

Poofs are for sissies.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Socrates' date='06 January 2010 - 10:56 PM' timestamp='1262836577' post='2031392']
Yeah, God loves loud explosions, just like I do.

Poofs are for sissies.
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I thought poofs [i]were [/i]sissies.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Varg' date='05 January 2010 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1262722058' post='2030303']
Why would he bother using the big bang when he could just create it like *poof*?
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Yeah, I agree. Something big...but, that occurs suddenly...like...BANG!

[Socrates]

[quote name='Winchester' date='06 January 2010 - 10:58 PM' timestamp='1262836724' post='2031395']
I thought poofs [i]were [/i]sissies.
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True.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Socrates' date='06 January 2010 - 11:10 PM' timestamp='1262837423' post='2031413']
True.
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[url="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/wasabi"]Shinsei[/url]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

A more important question: how did the universe come to be centered around each one of us?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1262838725' post='2031460']
A more important question: how did the universe come to be centered around each one of us?


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Infancy prolonged into adulthood?