How The Universe Came Into Being

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='06 January 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1262840235' post='2031519']
Infancy prolonged into adulthood?
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Most likely, except that my infant is more generous than many adults.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1262840628' post='2031540']
Most likely, except that my infant is more generous than many adults.
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Selfishness is a learned behavior.

[OraProMe]

I thought it was the other way round.

[Varg]

[quote name='Raphael' date='06 January 2010 - 11:32 PM' timestamp='1262838725' post='2031460']
A more important question: how did the universe come to be centered around each one of us?


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It isn't.

[Varg]

[quote name='Oliver' date='05 January 2010 - 12:08 PM' timestamp='1262711285' post='2030199']
God created the Universe using the big bang. That is what I believe.
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Why do people mix and match with the bible and science? Doesn't make any sense to me. Either the Bible is true or it isn't. I mean, if the parts on evolution and creation are wrong, how much else of it is wrong?

Edited January 7, 2010 by Varg

[Aloysius]

there are no parts in the Bible about evolution dude. as early as St. Augustine Catholics have been saying that the Genesis Creation account is not literal.

[Varg]

^I didn't say there were any. Why make a non-literal creation story instead of a real one when you have the "unquestionable truth of the word of god" or whatever?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 08:39 AM' timestamp='1262871566' post='2031669']
^I didn't say there were any. Why make a non-literal creation story instead of a real one when you have the "unquestionable truth of the word of god" or whatever?
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The Bible's purpose is salvation, not natural science. That's why. The story communicates what needs to be communicated. Judaism and Christianity are not gnostic religions.

Edited January 7, 2010 by Winchester

[Laudate_Dominum]

ferget the universe, how did being come into being? oh wait, that is dumb. well why is there being instead of nothing martin? what is meessa sayin!?

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what caused cause and what started starting? what ended ending and what made something something?
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never mind.

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[Varg]

You just killed my few remaining brain cells.

[Winchester]

That was an act of mercy.

[Varg]

[quote name='Winchester' date='07 January 2010 - 09:36 AM' timestamp='1262875008' post='2031715']
That was an act of mercy.
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Edited January 7, 2010 by Varg

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 07:12 AM' timestamp='1262862757' post='2031631']
Why do people mix and match with the bible and science? Doesn't make any sense to me. Either the Bible is true or it isn't. I mean, if the parts on evolution and creation are wrong, how much else of it is wrong?
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THere are no parts on science or evolution in the Scriptures.

[Varg]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='07 January 2010 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1262896828' post='2031935']
THere are no parts on science or evolution in the Scriptures.
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I know, I worded it badly. I meant if there are parts that are different to scientific fact

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='06 January 2010 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1262754092' post='2030659']
if the big bang came out of a singularity into which all space and all matter were condensed, it could be possible that one could trace back further and further in time to an ever shrinking condensed singularity, ad infinitum. mommas_boy provided the other common explanations for an eternal universe, but the one I was describing would say that the singularity could be traced to infinitessimal smallness.


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How do you define smallness? To describe something as small you have to have some reference frame. A singularity has no entropy. That comes later! so there is also no internal reference.

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714']
Wedon't know what existed before the big band. The laws of physics wereformed in those initial moments of the big bang and consequently wecan't use them to study anything prior to or outside the scope of thebig bang.
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See! Hassan agrees

Edited January 8, 2010 by Mark of the Cross

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 06:12 AM' timestamp='1262862757' post='2031631']
Why do people mix and match with the bible and science? Doesn't make any sense to me. Either the Bible is true or it isn't. I mean, if the parts on evolution and creation are wrong, how much else of it is wrong?
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The more you post here, the clearer your reasons for "quitting" Christianity become.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='OraProMe' date='06 January 2010 - 06:52 PM' timestamp='1262764325' post='2030732']
So does that mean that we can't know if the big bang is a cause or an effect?
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The big bang was an effect of God. It's just an idea, but God Said "Let there be light." and presto the big bang. On the first day he created the heavens. (He used a logarithmic slide rule so the first day was several billion years, the second several 100million and so on.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Hassan' date='06 January 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1262763188' post='2030714']
We don't know what existed before the big band.
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Jazz and ragtime

[Varg]

I already made that joke

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Varg' date='08 January 2010 - 06:57 AM' timestamp='1262951874' post='2032422']
I already made that joke
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