Anti-Contraception

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1262880998' post='2031763']
Then why don't you try and "fix" the population problems?
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Specifics! Which "population problems?" Not generalized worries you have. A list. With numbers.

~Sternhauser

Edited January 7, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1262880874' post='2031762']
Students of abstinence education don't get a lesson in abstinence,they get a lesson in hypocrisy, and after they are vaccinated against virtue by being injected with a dead strain of it, they follow the crowd and practice the same hypocrisy. We can't say that abstinence has been tried.
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Most excellent analogy.

~Sternhauser

Edited January 7, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 11:06 AM' timestamp='1262880386' post='2031757']
Feeling the need to kill is part of who some metally unstable people are, should we let them kill?
[/quote]

Metally unstable...like people made from mercury?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Anyway, Christianity would say that mental instability is actually a privation of human completeness.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 10:34 AM' timestamp='1262878479' post='2031745']
You're not going to convince them that contraception is bad. Face it.

Do you actually have any arguements against contraception that don't involve the Catholic faith?
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I've convinced other teens before. I don't see why this should be any different.

Yes, I have other arguments and I use them. Natural law comes in handy.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 11:16 AM' timestamp='1262880998' post='2031763']
Then why don't you try and "fix" the population problems?
[/quote]
I teach theology. It's part of my job and I do work on it.

As I'm a teacher, my wife and I are also practicing abstinence via NFP for the moment, since I have a 14 month old and a 1.5 month old. See, I include myself among the somewhat poor.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='07 January 2010 - 11:20 AM' timestamp='1262881253' post='2031768']
Most excellent analogy.

~Sternhauser
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Yes, it came to me a couple years ago. It works for a multitude of purposes.

[Varg]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='07 January 2010 - 11:18 AM' timestamp='1262881129' post='2031766']
Specifics! Which "population problems?" Not generalized worries you have. A list. With numbers.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]
Will a diagram suffice? I love diagrams.
[img]http://www.paulchefurka.ca/World%20Population.JPG[/img]

[Varg]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 11:31 AM' timestamp='1262881876' post='2031773']
I teach theology. It's part of my job and I do work on it.
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That explains it. Until now I thought you were just having some random debate with your students

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1262881482' post='2031770']
Metally unstable...like people made from mercury?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[/quote]
Got me there

Edited January 7, 2010 by Varg

[zunshynn]

Varg... where are you getting this nonsense? Most countries aren't even replacing themselves at this point.

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='07 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262895123' post='2031895']
Varg... where are you getting this nonsense? Most countries aren't even replacing themselves at this point.
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It's better to not engage.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='HisChildForever' date='07 January 2010 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1262895283' post='2031900']
It's better to not engage.
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Well, in Varg's view, it's not engagement or marriage or even sex that's that problem, it's conception.



Oh...you meant it in [i]that[/i] sense...gotcha...

[Varg]

[quote name='zunshynn' date='07 January 2010 - 03:12 PM' timestamp='1262895123' post='2031895']
Varg... where are you getting this nonsense? Most countries aren't even replacing themselves at this point.
[/quote]
And your evidence for this is where?

[MIKolbe]

pardon my text dump

[i]In a speech entitled “How to Take the Chill Out of Demographic Winter” given to the New Generation Church, Liga, Latvia, November 15, 2007, by Don Feder, (www.donfeder.com) a former Boston Herald writer who is now a political/communications consultant, he said, “In weighing the fate of humanity, one number is crucial -- 2.1. That¹s the number of children the average woman must have during her lifetime just to achieve population stability or equilibrium -- where you¹re not losing people by attrition. Why 2.1? Because a woman has to replace herself. Then she has to replace her partner. A fertility rate of more than 2.1 means population growth. Less than 2.1 equals population decline. There are now 59 nations – with 44% of the world¹s population -- that have below-replacement fertility rates.”

Among these countries is Russia at a fertility rate of 1.17. In Russia today, almost as many children are aborted as are born alive. The overall European rate is 1.3 with Italy at 1.2, meaning that Italy will lose almost half of its people in every generation.[/i]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

It is interesting that you're against the Catholics on this one, seeing as the Vatican City has a birth rate of 0.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1262895818' post='2031914']
It is interesting that you're against the Catholics on this one, seeing as the Vatican City has a birth rate of 0.


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[Varg]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 03:23 PM' timestamp='1262895818' post='2031914']
It is interesting that you're against the Catholics on this one, seeing as the Vatican City has a birth rate of 0.


[/quote]
But there aren't any women there

[MIKolbe]

[img]http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n129/corsetti3/mapreplace.jpg[/img]

from google books

[url="http://books.google.com/books?id=PZ8oVguBO_8C&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=european+countries+replacing+themselves&source=bl&ots=i8vHYsTa0d&sig=SjiRiUaVdGJfcwyyiAQDDHZaffw&hl=en&ei=wUNGS8TcJMaOlAfy490U&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CBsQ6AEwBzgU#v=onepage&q=&f=false"]HERE[/url]

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1262896047' post='2031919']
But there aren't any women there
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Just in case your serious, there are many women in Vatican City.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Varg' date='07 January 2010 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1262896047' post='2031919']
But there aren't any women there
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Yes there are. Tons. Lots of beautiful, celibate women with souls that shine like mirrors of divine love.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Raphael' date='07 January 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1262899505' post='2031973']
Yes there are. Tons. Lots of beautiful, celibate women with souls that shine like mirrors of divine love.
[/quote]
Wow... Ur a poet dude. No wonder u were such a lady's man back in the day. Now ur a married stud muffin.