America's Shame

[Happy_Catholic]

52 million abortions since Roe.

Words like tragic, shameful, morally bankrupt, they just don't quite cut the mustard.

http://www.lifenews.com/nat5910.html

Only God will ever know the true number.

Can't help asking "What have we done?"

[Lil Red]

+JMJ+
America is not the only country with legalized abortion

[Happy_Catholic]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='22 January 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1264201427' post='2042438']
+JMJ+
America is not the only country with legalized abortion
[/quote]

That's why I added "and everyone elses". Hehehe.

Anyway, China's reported to have about 25 million a year, depending on who's statistics you want to beleive. And approximately 46 million word wide. I saw a stat the other day that said since Roe they think there's been about 1 billion abortions world wide. (It didn't state whether that included illegal and legal).

[Ora et Labora]

I'm very aware of the Abortion rate. It's truly sad...

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='22 January 2010 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1264200737' post='2042431']
52 million abortions since Roe.

. . .

Can't help asking "What have we done?"
[/quote]

I oppose it in prayer, word and deed. I haven't killed any babies. I haven't spoken in a way that supports killing any babies. I haven't voted for anyone who would kill any babies. I doubt many others on here have, either.

"We" ain't done anything to kill babies in the womb. Leave us out of your "communal guilt" groupthink.

~Sternhauser

Edited January 23, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Winchester]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 January 2010 - 09:41 AM' timestamp='1264257678' post='2042805']
I haven't voted for anyone who would kill any babies. I doubt many others on here have, either.
[/quote]
[i]Knowingly [/i]voted for them, that is.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 January 2010 - 10:41 AM' timestamp='1264257678' post='2042805']
I oppose it in prayer, word and deed. I haven't killed any babies. I haven't spoken in a way that supports killing any babies. I haven't voted for anyone who would kill any babies. I doubt many others on here have, either.

"We" ain't done anything to kill babies in the womb. Leave us out of your "communal guilt" groupthink.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

I second this.

[elizabeth09]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='22 January 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1264201427' post='2042438']
+JMJ+
America is not the only country with legalized abortion
[/quote]

I did not know about that. Thanks

[quote name='Ora et Labora' date='22 January 2010 - 05:15 PM' timestamp='1264202121' post='2042449']
I'm very aware of the Abortion rate. It's truly sad...
[/quote]

Yes, and we should pray for pro-choice people. Because I think that every baby has the change to live outside their mother.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='22 January 2010 - 05:52 PM' timestamp='1264200737' post='2042431']
52 million abortions since Roe.

Words like tragic, shameful, morally bankrupt, they just don't quite cut the mustard.

[url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5910.html"]http://www.lifenews.com/nat5910.html[/url]

Only God will ever know the true number.

Can't help asking "What have we done?"
[/quote]

You are right, words such as Evil, Blasphemous, and Demonic come closer though.

ed

[elizabeth09]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 January 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1264257678' post='2042805']
I oppose it in prayer, word and deed. I haven't killed any babies. I haven't spoken in a way that supports killing any babies. I haven't voted for anyone who would kill any babies. I doubt many others on here have, either.

"We" ain't done anything to kill babies in the womb. Leave us out of your "communal guilt" groupthink.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

Me neither, but I will pray that people will have a change in heart.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='23 January 2010 - 06:41 AM' timestamp='1264257678' post='2042805']
I oppose it in prayer, word and deed. I haven't killed any babies. I haven't spoken in a way that supports killing any babies. I haven't voted for anyone who would kill any babies. I doubt many others on here have, either.

"We" ain't done anything to kill babies in the womb. Leave us out of your "communal guilt" groupthink.

~Sternhauser
[/quote]

I would assume her "we" meant as a country. So don't go throwing around words like "communal guilt" groups.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Slappo' date='17 February 2010 - 05:27 PM' timestamp='1266442050' post='2058481']
I would assume her "we" meant as a country. So don't go throwing around words like "communal guilt" groups.
[/quote]

he is just pointing out that it's not the country's fault at least not to some point, it is more the elected officials fault.

Edited February 17, 2010 by ThePenciledOne

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Slappo' date='17 February 2010 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1266442050' post='2058481']
I would assume her "we" meant as a country. So don't go throwing around words like "communal guilt" groups.
[/quote]

I did assume her "we" meant "as a country." That is precisely [i]why[/i] I used the words "communal guilt."

~Sternhauser

Edited February 18, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Vincent Vega]

As long as children are dying at the whims of their mothers and their mothers' abortionists, I am not doing enough.

You may choose to neglect your duty to the unborn by opting out of the "communal guilt", but I will not. There is blood on each of our hands until abortion is recognised by society as the evil that it is.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='17 February 2010 - 08:59 PM' timestamp='1266458396' post='2058581']
As long as children are dying at the whims of their mothers and their mothers' abortionists, I am not doing enough.

You may choose to neglect your duty to the unborn by opting out of the "communal guilt", but I will not. There is blood on each of our hands until abortion is recognised by society as the evil that it is.
[/quote]

Seems you believe that you personally failed to do something. Go and confess it, if you know what it was.

~Sternhauser

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='17 February 2010 - 09:59 PM' timestamp='1266458396' post='2058581']
As long as children are dying at the whims of their mothers and their mothers' abortionists, I am not doing enough.

You may choose to neglect your duty to the unborn by opting out of the "communal guilt", but I will not. There is blood on each of our hands until abortion is recognized by society as the evil that it is.
[/quote]

Where is your logic in this?

I obviously did not vote for Mr. Obama, others did, in that I can say that it is their mistake and there is blood on their hands. There is no innocent blood on my hands in this, but I will continue my striving to change the hearts and minds of the society that enfolds us. That is what we are doing, nobody is neglecting anybody.

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='17 February 2010 - 07:59 PM' timestamp='1266458396' post='2058581']
As long as children are dying at the whims of their mothers and their mothers' abortionists, I am not doing enough.

You may choose to neglect your duty to the unborn by opting out of the "communal guilt", but I will not. There is blood on each of our hands until abortion is recognised by society as the evil that it is.
[/quote]

There is no sin in not stopping everyone else's sins. Otherwise neither Jesus and Mary would not be sinless as they also lived with and around sinners of many kinds (including abortion as abortifacients and birth control existed then). It is a sad thing that so many sins exist, but we are not personally responsible for others' faults, unless we have directly and actively contributed to it.

[KnightofChrist]

Abortion is every Americans shame. To sin once is to break every commandment. Thinking we are innocent when we are guilty is to sin as the Pharisee in Luke 18:11-12. God has, and can punish the third and upon the fourth generation (Numbers 14:18; Numbers 14:18) , because the sins of their fathers. Collective Punishment is also Biblical the first collective punishment was the flood (Gen. 6), the second was the punishment for building the tower of Babel (Gen. 11), the third was the burning of Sodom (Gen. 19), and the fourth collective punishment was in the time of Pharaoh and Moses when God sent the plagues upon the Egyptians (Ex. 7-12). Apocalypse 18:4 warns the faithful to leave Babylon or be collectively punished with the plagues that will fall upon Babylon.

Edited February 18, 2010 by KnightofChrist

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='18 February 2010 - 12:44 AM' timestamp='1266468272' post='2058655']
Abortion is every Americans shame. To sin once is to break every commandment. Thinking we are innocent when we are guilty is to sin as the Pharisee in Luke 18:11-12. God has, and can punish the third and upon the fourth generation (Numbers 14:18; Numbers 14:18) , because the sins of their fathers. Collective Punishment is also Biblical the first collective punishment was the flood (Gen. 6), the second was the punishment for building the tower of Babel (Gen. 11), the third was the burning of Sodom (Gen. 19), and the fourth collective punishment was in the time of Pharaoh and Moses when God sent the plagues upon the Egyptians (Ex. 7-12). Apocalypse 18:4 warns the faithful to leave Babylon or be collectively punished with the plagues that will fall upon Babylon.
[/quote]

Yet, I don't think this still applies here.

And more or less all of those collective punishments occurred in the old testament. Given Revelation has yet to happen, but that's the entire world that will be brought to its knees.

The thing I think Stern and I are getting at is the fact that since we honestly take no part in the act of abortions, we should not be inculded in this "country" umbrella. I mean, the only earth institution I put my loyalty to is the Church no other body.

Its a sheep mentality otherwise.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='17 February 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1266468642' post='2058659']
Yet, I don't think this still applies here.

And more or less all of those collective punishments occurred in the old testament. Given Revelation has yet to happen, but that's the entire world that will be brought to its knees.[/quote]

It's the same God then as it is now. It applies.

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='17 February 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1266468642' post='2058659']The thing I think Stern and I are getting at is the fact that since we honestly take no part in the act of abortions, we should not be inculded in this "country" umbrella. I mean, the only earth institution I put my loyalty to is the Church no other body.[/quote]

True we take no part in the act of abortion, yet it is still [b]our[/b] shame as a nation, shame on all of humanity. Each and every sin effects each and every person.

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='17 February 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1266468642' post='2058659']Its a sheep mentality otherwise.
[/quote]

But we are sheep, that is why we need a Shepard. Humanity has secular leaders and religious leaders for this reason, each is suppose to complement the other when each rules justly. In the end however humanity will be divided into sheep and goats.