Contraception

[Resurrexi]

I made this statement today, and others questioned its veracity.

Edited January 26, 2010 by Resurrexi

[Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam]

It might be easier to get by with contraceptives are of the devil...since they help one to lie with one's body and Satan is the Prince of Lies. However, "from" means something concerning transferred possession...so wouldn't be as accurate. Saying they are "of the devil" may be better. It is close but has a different shade of meaning.

[Veridicus]

I would say a contraceptive act is from the devil, but not necessarily contraceptives themselves. In terms of oral contraceptives, estrogens and progesterones are naturally occurring hormones in animals; but their use in regimented quantities with contraceptive intent is of the devil.


I am trying to distinguish between [i]contraception [/i]and [i]contraceptives[/i].

Edited January 26, 2010 by Veridicus

[zunshynn]

I am fully convinced that contraception is of satan, because it is one of the greatest evils of our time... if not the greatest. In the sense of it's deceptiveness and the fact that the mentality it has created in society has unleashed so many other evils, I would almost go so far as to say it is worse than abortion.

Abortion never would have become accepted in society if contraception had not first. And contraception has destroyed countless marriages... probably more than abortion, because contraception is a staple of most marriages, whereas abortion is probably more typical of those who are not married.

I'm sure satan delights in the propagation of contraception more than anything else... he's able to do the most damage with it, and largely without most people even realizing how damaging it is.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Whether directly or indirectly, the statement is true.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Raphael' date='25 January 2010 - 07:29 PM' timestamp='1264469370' post='2044523']
Whether directly or indirectly, the statement is true.
[/quote]

Agreed.

[CatherineM]

Ditto

[HisChildForever]

I voted "yes."

[Selah]

After thinking about it...yes. They take away a potential at creating life, and to me, that's selfishness.

[Hilde]

Undecided. I can think of situations where i.ex one spouse has aids, or some girl wants to take the pill for medical purposes. But I do know that's not why they're usually used.

The mindsets of many of the users are definitely of the devil though.

Edited January 26, 2010 by Hilde

[Selah]

If the pill is being taken for medical purposes (I.E. "women" problems) I don't see how or why it would be wrong. What do you guys think?

[Slappo]

[quote name='Selah' date='25 January 2010 - 07:32 PM' timestamp='1264476763' post='2044635']
If the pill is being taken for medical purposes (I.E. "women" problems) I don't see how or why it would be wrong. What do you guys think?
[/quote]

If the pill is taken for medical purposes when one is not engaging in the marital act then it is not a contraceptive...

Contraceptive by definition is something that prevents conception. The pill is not acting as a contraceptive in this scenario anymore than not-having-sex is acting as a contraceptive.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Slappo' date='25 January 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1264481391' post='2044694']
If the pill is taken for medical purposes when one is not engaging in the marital act then it is not a contraceptive...

Contraceptive by definition is something that prevents conception. The pill is not acting as a contraceptive in this scenario anymore than not-having-sex is acting as a contraceptive.
[/quote]

It might still be labeled contraceptive on the bottle. It is a matter of semantics.

[Selah]

[quote]If the pill is taken for medical purposes when one is not engaging in the marital act then it is not a contraceptive...[/quote]

That's what I thought

[Slappo]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='25 January 2010 - 05:22 PM' timestamp='1264468927' post='2044514']
I would say a contraceptive act is from the devil, but not necessarily contraceptives themselves. In terms of oral contraceptives, estrogens and progesterones are naturally occurring hormones in animals; but their use in regimented quantities with contraceptive intent is of the devil.


I am trying to distinguish between [i]contraception [/i]and [i]contraceptives[/i].
[/quote]


Oral contraceptives are only contraceptives if they are being used to contra-cept or counter-conception. The more proper term would be "oral contraceptive devices".

An electronic device is not being used as an electronic device if I am using it to throw at a dog. The "electronic" part of my Itouch for instance is not engaged in the act of throwing it across my bedroom.


Edit: To add clarification: A condom is not a contraceptive if it is being used as a baloon. It is a contraceptive if it is being used as something that prevents conception.

Edited January 26, 2010 by Slappo

[Slappo]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='25 January 2010 - 08:51 PM' timestamp='1264481499' post='2044695']
It might still be labeled contraceptive on the bottle. It is a matter of semantics.
[/quote]

Something is not mere semantics if it makes an important distinguishment between what is evil and what is morally acceptable.

[Happy_Catholic]

[quote name='Selah' date='25 January 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1264476763' post='2044635']
If the pill is being taken for medical purposes (I.E. "women" problems) I don't see how or why it would be wrong. What do you guys think?
[/quote]

I know others have said its not, but given the Contraceptive pill wasn't created with intention of solving "women's problems" it probably a dangerous gate way or alternative.

I know a girl who was taking the pill for her acne, which was quite hideous, she told me once, "its great, if I wanna have sex I don't have to worry about pregnancy cos I'm already on the pill!" Taking it for BC wasn't her first intention, but eventually it became obvious to her her behaviour could be altered because of it being always in the background.

Anyway, there are other alternatives to the Pill. I have an "issue" that the Pill could clear right up, I told my doctor I ain't taking that poision (the pill) and he put me on something that was originally crafted as a diretic.

People just have to ask, there's a lot of stuff out there can do the same thing as the Pill with less side effects both physical and spiritual.

And yeah, I think contraceptives come straight from the devil, the smelly b@stard's just packaged it up to look all nice and happy and liberal. I mean, look at Margaret Sanger, that woman was all for contraceptives and then started going on about "removing the retarded weeds from teh garden of humanity" and "the most merciful thing a large family can do for one of its infant members is kill it".

I see it like dope, that's a gate way drug to harder stuff. I view contraceptives as a gateway to even more repugnant immorality.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Raphael' date='25 January 2010 - 07:29 PM' timestamp='1264469370' post='2044523']
Whether directly or indirectly, the statement is true.
[/quote]
This. The sinful attitude that draws one towards contraception is what we should be talking about.

[KeenanParkerII]

how does one sayyyy..... YES

[CatherineM]

There are other medications that can accomplish the same medical end that contraceptives are supposed to. Doctors just prescribe the pill because it is easier. I have serious cramps that are now managed by a non-narcotic, non-contraceptive medication. The doctor never told me about it until 2 years ago.