Working Out - Sinful?

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='31 January 2010 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1264922546' post='2048125']
nothing wrong with working out. or meeting girls.

is everything a sin now?
[/quote]

I concur.

Which reminds me, I did 400+ push-ups (regular, wide, & diamond) yesterday morning by using a deck of cards. What a workout!

Edited January 31, 2010 by Paladin D

[Ephrem Augustine]

It's not my job to judge anybody's reasons for going to the gym.

that's not to say i have not met guys or girls who are hoping to meet potential mate at the gym

as for the hormones thing, well i prefer that my testosterone is working me out at the gym as opposed to somewhere else to be released, it actually helps me be more chaste to have a very intense physical life. I'm not a gnostic or anything.

I might think the opposite, in religious life, there are so many fat friars, and i have always thought that cuts away at our credibility.

[KeenanParkerII]

Good points, I've often wondered to myself if a Christian can justify being overweight.

A. Our body is a temple.
B. We must refrain from gluttony.
C. It is always good to exercise will power.

[Ephrem Augustine]

the term asceticism is connected to the term exercise, it is also connected to the term athlete. All the early saints were athletes.

if exercise actually felt good, like if you took a pill, or some of these stupid magic weight loss pill infomercials...
those are more vanity, vanity to think that all the natural laws of the human body can be suspended for my own laziness and irresponsibility.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='31 January 2010 - 12:22 AM' timestamp='1264922546' post='2048125']
nothing wrong with working out. or meeting girls.

is everything a sin now?
[/quote]

I don't want to get banned here... (So please don't ban me!!) But the only sin would come if you later "worked out" -- with the girl you met at the gym -- back at your place or hers. Right?

Of course we're not totally controlled by our hormones so the increase in testosterone logically wouldn't override our moral principles. Maybe if people use that as an excuse they don't really have the moral principles they claim to.

[havok579257]

[quote name='southern california guy' date='31 January 2010 - 11:42 AM' timestamp='1264956130' post='2048261']
I don't want to get banned here... (So please don't ban me!!) But the only sin would come if you later "worked out" -- with the girl you met at the gym -- back at your place or hers. Right?

Of course we're not totally controlled by our hormones so the increase in testosterone logically wouldn't override our moral principles. Maybe if people use that as an excuse they don't really have the moral principles they claim to.
[/quote]


not unless that girl happened to be your wife.

[BG45]

[quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='31 January 2010 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1264952841' post='2048232']
Good points, I've often wondered to myself if a Christian can justify being overweight.

A. Our body is a temple.
B. We must refrain from gluttony.
C. It is always good to exercise will power.
[/quote]

Off the top of my head, if there's a medical reason for a Christian to be overweight, I would consider it to be entirely justified.

Of course, that said...our body is a temple, therefore one must also ponder how a Christian can justify other sins:
A) Lust and chastity
B) Lack of exercise of willpower as you posted in C.
C) The use of caffeine (polluting one's body with a drug)
D) Overuse of alcohol
E) Drug addictions
F) Etc.

Being overweight is just a simple to identify thing that's more difficult to hide than almost anything else involving the body.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='BG45' date='31 January 2010 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1264961828' post='2048286']
Off the top of my head, if there's a medical reason for a Christian to be overweight, I would consider it to be entirely justified.

Of course, that said...our body is a temple, therefore one must also ponder how a Christian can justify other sins:
A) Lust and chastity
B) Lack of exercise of willpower as you posted in C.
[b]C) The use of caffeine (polluting one's body with a drug)[/b]
D) Overuse of alcohol
E) Drug addictions
F) Etc.

Being overweight is just a simple to identify thing that's more difficult to hide than almost anything else involving the body.
[/quote]

The use of caffeine?? [b]NO!!!![/b] I can do without alcohol, but I live for caffeine!!! (You're not secretly LDS are you?? )

[southern california guy]

[quote name='havok579257' date='31 January 2010 - 10:56 AM' timestamp='1264960577' post='2048280']
not unless that girl happened to be your wife.
[/quote]

You know testosterone increases both men and womens sex drives. So maybe if you worked out together...

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='southern california guy' date='31 January 2010 - 08:42 AM' timestamp='1264956130' post='2048261']
I don't want to get banned here... (So please don't ban me!!) But the only sin would come if you later "worked out" -- with the girl you met at the gym -- back at your place or hers. Right?

Of course we're not totally controlled by our hormones so the increase in testosterone logically wouldn't override our moral principles. Maybe if people use that as an excuse they don't really have the moral principles they claim to.
[/quote]

oh please. that isnt a problem with gyms, or meeting girls. thats a problem with yourself.

[southern california guy]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='31 January 2010 - 12:01 PM' timestamp='1264964510' post='2048329']
oh please. that isnt a problem with gyms, or meeting girls. thats a problem with yourself.
[/quote]

That's what I was trying to say. I was just not doing a very good job of it..

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' date='31 January 2010 - 02:22 AM' timestamp='1264922546' post='2048125']
is everything a sin now?
[/quote]

There seem to be people in the world who think so...

[Norseman82]

I saw this on a local site and thought it relevant for this thread:

[img]http://jesus-withyoualways.com/images/BODYBUILDER_1024x768.jpg[/img]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='31 January 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1264972133' post='2048410']
I saw this on a local site and thought it relevant for this thread:

[img]http://jesus-withyoualways.com/images/BODYBUILDER_1024x768.jpg[/img]
[/quote]
That Jesus looks like he could use a bit of a workout.

[kafka]

all acts fall under the three fonts of morality

intention
moral object or nature of the act
circumstance (otherwise known as consequences)

if one of the three fonts is bad then the overall act defaults to immorality

the intention to workout must be good for example for the sake of one's health
the moral object of working out is not inherently evil
the good consequences must outweigh the bad when working out.

I think your ultimate question is if the nature (or moral object) is good or evil. Obviously it is not inherently evil, thus it is good or perhaps neutral so then the morality of the overall act of working out would depend upon one's intention and one's circumstance (good consequences outweighing the bad)

The intention would be bad if for one example one does it out of vanity

The circumstances could become bad if the bad conseqences outweigh the good for one example if one works out on a consistent basis to the point of exhausting his energy so that he cannot perform his other more important duties, or if one chooses to work out over and above his duty to his family, which would be neglecting circumstances.