The Emasculation Of Jesus

[Shana]

If I had a photo of glitter Jesus to post I'd imagine that would be taken down for being offensive too.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' date='02 June 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1275486610' post='2122699']
We'll see if this works. A friend of mine took this photo while we were on retreat in High School. It is the Crucifix located in a parish in central Minnesota depicting Christ coming off the cross saving all of our souls.

[img]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs4/i/2004/211/2/0/Not_An_Easy_Task____.jpg[/img]



God bless-
LGLG
[/quote]
It hurts me to see that.

[kafka]

agreed. No nobility. The body is contorted.

Here is one by Dali. Very modern. I sort of like it. It seems to be emphasizing the mystical/transcendent aspect of the Crucifixion. Though I do not think it is everyone's cup of tea, and obviously not realistic:
[img]http://blogystera.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dali_crucifixion_hypercube.jpg[/img]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='kafka' date='02 June 2010 - 01:55 PM' timestamp='1275504928' post='2122782']
agreed. No nobility. The body is contorted.

Here is one by Dali. Very modern. I sort of like it. It seems to be emphasizing the mystical/transcendent aspect of the Crucifixion. Though I do not think it is everyone's cup of tea, and obviously not realistic:
[img]http://blogystera.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dali_crucifixion_hypercube.jpg[/img]
[/quote]
I don't know what to think about that theologically, but artistically I'm a big fan of Dali. He's really the only artist I go out of my way to see paintings by.

[kafka]

I think it is interesting, but difficult to tell what the artist's intentions are. It made me think of JP II in Ecclesia de Eucharista:

“all that Christ is—all that he did and suffered for all men—participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times”.

[tinytherese]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='02 June 2010 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1275451427' post='2122601']
Not at all.


[/quote]

How so?

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='02 June 2010 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1275513972' post='2122854']
How so?
[/quote]

I feel that is a very generalized look at how to view his book. Sure it can come off that way, but the legitimate points he makes should not be written off. And the assumption and claim you made, I saw as very shallow and maybe slightly biased, since I have talked with some of my friends who feel the same away about John Eldredge.

(If you can't tell I am a fan of Eldredge, and I have read quite a few of his books.)

Have you read anything else by him?

[tinytherese]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='02 June 2010 - 05:28 PM' timestamp='1275514129' post='2122856']
I feel that is a very generalized look at how to view his book. Sure it can come off that way, but the legitimate points he makes should not be written off. And the assumption and claim you made, I saw as very shallow and maybe slightly biased, since I have talked with some of my friends who feel the same away about John Eldredge.

(If you can't tell I am a fan of Eldredge, and I have read quite a few of his books.)

Have you read anything else by him?
[/quote]

Well maybe that's just how it looked to me since I'm female, so I wouldn't know about that kind of thinking for myself. I've read Captivating, which was also co-written with his wife. I was surprised at how well I could identify with it. Though I thought it was a shame that his wife had such negative experiences growing up with her Catholic mom and how Stasi eventually left the Church. I realize though that she is speaking from her personal experiences. I just thought that some people who haven't been properly catechized or those who are anti-Catholic might take it the wrong way. It certainly reaffirmed to me how important proper catechesis and apologetics are. Minus that, for the most part I liked it, but I'm more of a fan of Theology of His and Her Body. I did find it interesting, how some of what the Eldgridges talk about is related in some way to the message of Theology of the Body, as far as maculinity and femininity goes.

[Shana]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='02 June 2010 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1275505060' post='2122784']
I don't know what to think about that theologically, but artistically I'm a big fan of Dali. He's really the only artist I go out of my way to see paintings by.
[/quote]

I love this painting, I saw it in the Met. Probably my favorite one one in the met because it identifies most closely with my art. <3 Dali <3

[john654]

Hi,
What retreat center were you at?
John

[Apotheoun]

The crucifixion icon from the [url="http://www.edmontoneparchy.com/churches_more/Edmonton_StGeorge_iconography_eng.htm"]Church of the Great Martyr St. George the Victorious[/url] in Edmonton Canada:

[img]http://www.edmontoneparchy.com/images/icons/St.%20George%20Parish/Pa%2015.JPG[/img]

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='02 June 2010 - 06:43 PM' timestamp='1275514994' post='2122861']
I did find it interesting, how some of what the Eldgridges talk about is related in some way to the message of Theology of the Body, as far as maculinity and femininity goes.
[/quote]

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of TOTB in "Wild at Heart" too, though he doesn't know it

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='tinytherese' date='02 June 2010 - 06:43 PM' timestamp='1275514994' post='2122861']
Well maybe that's just how it looked to me since I'm female, so I wouldn't know about that kind of thinking for myself. I've read Captivating, which was also co-written with his wife. I was surprised at how well I could identify with it. Though I thought it was a shame that his wife had such negative experiences growing up with her Catholic mom and how Stasi eventually left the Church. I realize though that she is speaking from her personal experiences. I just thought that some people who haven't been properly catechized or those who are anti-Catholic might take it the wrong way. It certainly reaffirmed to me how important proper catechesis and apologetics are. Minus that, for the most part I liked it, but I'm more of a fan of Theology of His and Her Body. I did find it interesting, how some of what the Eldgridges talk about is related in some way to the message of Theology of the Body, as far as maculinity and femininity goes.
[/quote]

Yeah, I have read Captivating and it actually help me understand a lot of things. And that's another thing I love about Eldredge is how much Truth is in his books. I do feel bad as well for Stasi to but she is still doing God's work with helping women in the ministry she co-runs with her husband, so I thank God for that.

The point you make about Stasi, I guess is true, but plenty of things get misinterpreted anyway, nothing is really perfect in that way.

And Yes! I thoroughly agree with it being related to the Theology of the Body! I personally think that John Eldredge is plowing the ground so that Theology of the Body can come and spread the seed.

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='02 June 2010 - 10:15 PM' timestamp='1275531339' post='2122980']
Yeah, I have read Captivating and it actually help me understand a lot of things. And that's another thing I love about Eldredge is how much Truth is in his books. I do feel bad as well for Stasi to but she is still doing God's work with helping women in the ministry she co-runs with her husband, so I thank God for that.

The point you make about Stasi, I guess is true, but plenty of things get misinterpreted anyway, nothing is really perfect in that way.

And Yes! I thoroughly agree with it being related to the Theology of the Body! I personally think that John Eldredge is plowing the ground so that Theology of the Body can come and spread the seed.
[/quote]

I never read Wild at Heart, but I did read Captivating, and I found it to be a very thought provoking work which really did have some amazing insight into God's view of the feminine. I'd recommend that book to anyone, Catholic or Protestant.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Marie-Therese' date='03 June 2010 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1275541741' post='2123051']
I never read Wild at Heart, but I did read Captivating, and I found it to be a very thought provoking work which really did have some amazing insight into God's view of the feminine. I'd recommend that book to anyone, Catholic or Protestant.
[/quote]

Yeah! I actually felt like I understood God better after reading Captivating, since I never really grasped the idea that God, thirsts for our love. And that has actually helped me out quite a bit since then.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

This is one of my all-time favorite pictures. Its the vision Lucia had in the convent. It says soo much!


[img]http://www.loveandmercy.org/loveandmercy/Images/TrinityVision-lg.jpg[/img]

[Shana]

[quote name='john654' date='02 June 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1275520965' post='2122903']
Hi,
What retreat center were you at?
John
[/quote]

Betania II in Medway, MA.

[Ephrem Augustine]

[quote name='Luigi' date='02 June 2010 - 12:24 AM' timestamp='1275456259' post='2122639']
I feel the same way about how St. Joseph usually gets depicted - even disregarding the floor-length robe. He was a cartpenter, for Pete's sake - do you know any carpenters? They've got muscular forearms, muscular upper arms, they've got blisters & broken fingernails on their hands, they're broad shouldered, they sweat - yet most of the depictions of St. Joseph are like this calm, quiet guy wearing a high-waisted dress, brushed hair, not a drop of sweat anywhere, no musculature... he might be holding a hammer or a right angle, but he sure doesn't look like he ever did any WORK in his life. And I know he's often depicted holding a lily because that's a symbol of purity, but really - a LILY? No self-respecting carpenter would be caught standing around with a lily in his hand.

I will say St. Peter is often depicted in a largely masculine style.
[/quote]

I could say the same of several St. Michael statues I have seen, where he is very ballerina-esque.
I think something that looks like Gandalf and the Balrog would be a better rendition.

[let_go_let_God]

[quote name='Ephrem Augustine' date='03 June 2010 - 12:27 PM' timestamp='1275582479' post='2123171']
I could say the same of several St. Michael statues I have seen, where he is very ballerina-esque.
I think something that looks like Gandalf and the Balrog would be a better rendition.
[/quote]

That would be amazing! Except add some more angels and make the Hellish Creature huge!

God bless-
LGLG

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='02 June 2010 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1275531339' post='2122980']
And Yes! I thoroughly agree with it being related to the Theology of the Body! I personally think that John Eldredge is plowing the ground so that Theology of the Body can come and spread the seed.
[/quote]

Just curious, has he done much since the "Wild at Heart" craze and the few books that followed it? That was five to ten years ago. Can't say I've heard his name and I feel like he's had little influence on the culture of American Christianity. He's like the Ron Paul of politics... gained a faithful niche who love him, but outside of that they're practically inconsequential.