The J.r.r. Tolkien Thread

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='elizabeth09' date='18 June 2010 - 09:23 AM' timestamp='1276870985' post='2130868']
[img]http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1551913-grave_of_JRR_Tolkien-Oxford.jpg[/img]


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Please tell me that's not Gwaihir.

~Sternhauser

[Innocent]

Does anyone know what the round drawing used in the front cover of the editions (1977 and 1999) of the [i]Silmarillion[/i] shown below is meant to be? I have read in several places that this was taken from the one of Tolkien's drawings.

[img]http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r30/prophet_o_peace/Phatmass/silmarillion-jrr-tolkien.jpg[/img] [img]http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r30/prophet_o_peace/Phatmass/Silmarillion.jpg[/img]

The same design, in gold, is used in the [url="http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/The_Silmarillion_30th_Anniversary_de_luxe_edition.php?109"]Deluxe edition of the [i]Silmarillion. [/i][/url]

Edited June 20, 2010 by Innocent

[sarcasmguy126]

Just finished reading all three of the LOTR books, may never read the appendices. Love those stories; superb writing in every way: Suspense, humor, drama, beautiful, spine tingling descriptions and relationships between characters. Wonderful!

[Innocent]

[quote name='sarcasmguy126' date='24 June 2010 - 08:13 AM' timestamp='1277343803' post='2133485']...may never read the appendices.
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No, no. Don't give up. Force yourself you read at least Appendix A alone, please. You'll be glad you did.

Think of it as an act of self-mortification or an exercise in self-discipline if it helps.


You'll love them if you liked the book. Don't you want to read of how Aragon and Arwen met and fell in love? Or how the Rohirrim settled in Rohan? Or what Aragon meant when he said, "Nor indeed am I a stranger; for I have been in this land before, more than once, and ridden with the host of the Rohirrim, though under other name and in other guise?"

Edited June 24, 2010 by Innocent

[lookingforfaith]

The LOTR books are my father's favorite. He has read them at least 10 times each...and is always talking about them. He made me read them when I was 11. And boy am I glad I did...they are my favorites now too! (Or at least at the top of my list of favorites [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_grin.gif[/img] )

[MithLuin]

[quote name='Innocent' date='20 June 2010 - 12:26 AM' timestamp='1277004399' post='2131649']
Does anyone know what the round drawing used in the front cover of the editions (1977 and 1999) of the [i]Silmarillion[/i] shown below is meant to be? I have read in several places that this was taken from the one of Tolkien's drawings.

The same design, in gold, is used in the [url="http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/The_Silmarillion_30th_Anniversary_de_luxe_edition.php?109"]Deluxe edition of the [i]Silmarillion. [/i][/url]
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Yes. Tolkien drew heraldic devices for most of the houses of the elves. This one is Luthien's, I believe. If you are interested in elven heraldry, read [url=http://www.forodrim.org/gobennas/heraldry/heraldry.htm]this page[/url]. Sometimes the level of detail put into these stories is a bit scary..... Tolkien took world-building more seriously than anyone else I have come across - mostly because of his focus on language, but really...everything. He wanted to make sure the phases of the moon lined up with his story, that his descriptions of weather were appropriate for the terrain and latitude... most people simply do not care that much.

[Innocent]

[quote name='MithLuin' date='24 June 2010 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1277395499' post='2133627']
Yes. Tolkien drew heraldic devices for most of the houses of the elves. This one is Luthien's, I believe. If you are interested in elven heraldry, read [url=http://www.forodrim.org/gobennas/heraldry/heraldry.htm]this page[/url]. Sometimes the level of detail put into these stories is a bit scary..... Tolkien took world-building more seriously than anyone else I have come across - mostly because of his focus on language, but really...everything. He wanted to make sure the phases of the moon lined up with his story, that his descriptions of weather were appropriate for the terrain and latitude... most people simply do not care that much.
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Thanks for the link to the page with the heraldic devices!


If I ever build a house, I think I'm going to put up Beren's heraldry somewhere prominent on the front wall.

Edited June 24, 2010 by Innocent

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='MithLuin' date='24 June 2010 - 01:04 PM' timestamp='1277395499' post='2133627']
Yes. Tolkien drew heraldic devices for most of the houses of the elves. This one is Luthien's, I believe. If you are interested in elven heraldry, read [url="http://www.forodrim.org/gobennas/heraldry/heraldry.htm"]this page[/url]. Sometimes the level of detail put into these stories is a bit scary..... Tolkien took world-building more seriously than anyone else I have come across - mostly because of his focus on language, but really...everything. He wanted to make sure the phases of the moon lined up with his story, that his descriptions of weather were appropriate for the terrain and latitude... most people simply do not care that much.
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Thank you for the link!!! I love arms and banners like that. I have worked on some of my own for my fantasy novel as well, and there is just something unique about it.

I personally love Feanor's/Fingolfin's device. : )

[Innocent]

Now I also understand what the emblem on Earendil's ship meant:

[img]http://img-fan.theonering.net/rolozo/images/nasmith/sil-earendil.jpg[/img]

[Katherine of Aragon]

Huge Tolkien fan here. I read the Silmarillion as a child so often that my parents, concerned that their 9-year-old was reading nothing else, took it away and hid it until I read four or five other books. I knocked them out in two days to get my Silmarillion back!

In my half-dozen daughters' names we have a Luthien, a Laurelin, and a Celebrindal.

[icelandic_iceskater]

I'm not really hardcore enough to be posting in this thread, buuuuuuuut I just had to share these [url=http://recordbrother.typepad.com/imagesilike/2005/05/what_you_been_t.html]audio clips[/url] of Tolkien himself reading portions of LOTR. Gosh, to go so far as to call it "music" would still be insulting to these recordings... <3

[Innocent]

Welcome to Phatmass, Katherine of Aragon!


[quote name='Katherine of Aragon' date='27 June 2010 - 08:01 AM' timestamp='1277602274' post='2134691']
In my half-dozen daughters' names we have a Luthien, a Laurelin, and a Celebrindal.
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[Innocent]

[quote name='icelandic_iceskater' date='27 June 2010 - 08:08 AM' timestamp='1277602693' post='2134695']
I'm not really hardcore enough to be posting in this thread, buuuuuuuut I just had to share these [url=http://recordbrother.typepad.com/imagesilike/2005/05/what_you_been_t.html]audio clips[/url] of Tolkien himself reading portions of LOTR. Gosh, to go so far as to call it "music" would still be insulting to these recordings... <3
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Thank you! That's a great find.

[Innocent]

[quote name='Sternhauser' date='20 June 2010 - 08:08 AM' timestamp='1276997892' post='2131629']
Please tell me that's not Gwaihir.

~Sternhauser
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Well, Thorondor from the First Age had "pinions thirty fathoms wide" and Gwaihir from the Third Age was persumably smaller, now that we're in (by Tolkien's own estimate in his Letters) the end of the Sixth or Seventh age, the eagles must logically have diminished in their glory to the sad state seen above.

[laetitia crucis]

Just came across this lovely gem.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUtCtuZIAcE&feature=player_embedded[/media]

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Katherine of Aragon' date='26 June 2010 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1277602274' post='2134691']
Huge Tolkien fan here. I read the Silmarillion as a child so often that my parents, concerned that their 9-year-old was reading nothing else, took it away and hid it until I read four or five other books. I knocked them out in two days to get my Silmarillion back!

In my half-dozen daughters' names we have a Luthien, a Laurelin, and a Celebrindal.
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[Tridenteen]

JMJ
I love Eowyn...she is so awesome, and has the coolest speeches. I taped up a few of quotes from her on our organ paneling. But I really get a kick out of the parallels Tolkein drew between Catholicism and his books...so many "clues", if you will[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/detective.gif[/img]

[sistersintigo]

The Lady Galadriel ought to have a heraldic device of her own, but where? Has anyone seen it?

[kafka]

just read Chapter One, the Departure of Boromir, and part of Chapter Two, The Riders of Rohan, last night for during the day off from the rat race. The sequence where Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas hunt for the group of Orcs who kidnapped Merry and Pippin is my favorite in all the books of Tolkien. The descriptions of the land and the chase are majestic and inspiring.

Me loves!

[sistersintigo]

[quote name='kafka' date='06 July 2010 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1278430394' post='2138444']
just read Chapter One, the Departure of Boromir, and part of Chapter Two, The Riders of Rohan, last night for during the day off from the rat race. The sequence where Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas hunt for the group of Orcs who kidnapped Merry and Pippin is my favorite in all the books of Tolkien. The descriptions of the land and the chase are majestic and inspiring.

Me loves!
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This would be The Two Towers?

Gotta love those Ents.