Carmelite Nuns Move Into New Monastery Home

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='01 July 2010 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1278001581' post='2136599']
A "regular Jane pew sitter" -- love that! Weeeeeeeell, just in case the Carmelites aren't your cuppa, then I'll be waiting with arms wide open -- and that little prie-dieu and stack of books next to it. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif[/img] You could be Sister Mary Jane. (Named after Bl Jane of Aza -- St. Dominic's mother! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_grin.gif[/img] ) Although, perhaps you and Ignatius might have to vie for that name. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/starwars.gif[/img]
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Personally, I think Sister Mary Jane would be the PERFECT name for a discalced(sp?) Carmelite, or, better yet, a Poor Clare. And, if we were in different communities, we could have the same name.

However, if we both join the Phattmass Phemale Community, I am willing to give you Sister Mary Jane. Since I am also very fond of St. Bede the Venerable, I'd be happy to be Sister Rosary Bede. (Or, I guess it would have to be Sister Mary Bede of the Rosary, although that doesn't have quite the same "punch." How about "Sister Hail Mary Bede of the Rosary?"

Edited July 1, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 July 2010 - 06:31 PM' timestamp='1278023469' post='2136764']
Personally, I think Sister Mary Jane would be the PERFECT name for a discalced(sp?) Carmelite, or, better yet, a Poor Clare. And, if we were in different communities, we could have the same name. [/quote]

You are quite right! Absolutely PERFECT for Poor Clares and/or Discalced Carmelites -- though I think a Poor Clare with this name would be an epic win.

[quote name='IgantiusofLoyola']
However, if we both join the Phattmass Phemale Community, I am willing to give you Sister Mary Jane. Since I am also very fond of St. Bede the Venerable, I'd be happy to be Sister Rosary Bede. (Or, I guess it would have to be Sister Mary Bede of the Rosary, although that doesn't have quite the same "punch." How about "Sister Hail Mary Bede of the Rosary?"
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"Sister Mary Bede of the Rosary"!!! Aaaahahahaha! That is PERFECT!

Sister Maria Bede Rosarium?

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Sister Mary Jane ?! Ok Im officially not joining any Order where either of you two are in charge of naming anyone

[laetitia crucis]

[quote name='vee8' date='01 July 2010 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1278025931' post='2136772']
Sister Mary Jane ?! Ok Im officially not joining any Order where either of you two are in charge of naming anyone
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[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='01 July 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1278025931' post='2136772']
Sister Mary Jane ?! Ok Im officially not joining any Order where either of you two are in charge of naming anyone [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/P.gif[/img]
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From your reaction, obviously God is making clear that he wants L-C and I to have that responsibility, since we have shown special gifts for names. I'm sure we will come up with others if we take the time to pray about it. In the meantime, you can be Sister Mary Christmas.

Edited July 2, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

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[quote name='laetitia crucis' date='01 July 2010 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1278001581' post='2136599']

Unfortunately, I bet this is a very common mindset here in the U.S., too. After all, I think many may see it from a very superficial perspective, like being "locked up" for life, or being "oppressed", etc. You never leave the cloister (unless for medical reasons, of course). You do pretty much the same thing every day in a very structured and [i]hidden[/i] way. Contact with "the outside world" is very limited. And well... the [i]reality[/i] of it is that... cloistered contemplatives are living -- in a very real way -- the life that many will only know once they've made it to heaven. A total holocaust of self given in an ever-burning oblation of love... wow, St. Therese must be getting to me. [/quote]
she must.

[quote] St. Teresa Benedicta a Cruce? [/quote]

ding ding ding yes her

[quote] A "regular Jane pew sitter" -- love that! Weeeeeeeell, just in case the Carmelites aren't your cuppa, then I'll be waiting with arms wide open -- and that little prie-dieu and stack of books next to it. You could be Sister Mary Jane. (Named after Bl Jane of Aza -- St. Dominic's mother! ) Although, perhaps you and Ignatius might have to vie for that name. [/quote]

Prie dieus & books = And if you ever discover the Dominicans aren't your cup of tea the Carmelites have er... ummm ....well. prayer and penance, sacrifice and suffering, misery and mortification, sadness and sighing, crying and..... or something like that! And just in case someone reads this and thinks I'm being serious I'm not!

Edited July 2, 2010 by vee8

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 July 2010 - 07:02 PM' timestamp='1278028942' post='2136796']
From your reaction, obviously God is making clear that he wants L-C and I to have that responsibility, since we have shown special gifts for names. I'm sure we will come up with others if we take the time to pray about it. In the meantime, you can be Sister Mary Christmas.
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Hey if Im Sister Mary Christmas does that mean I'm in charge of ringing the bells, right outside your cell at 2am there Sister Polycarp???

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='01 July 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1278030147' post='2136799']
Hey if Im Sister Mary Christmas does that mean I'm in charge of ringing the bells, right outside your cell at 2am there Sister Polycarp??? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol_grin.gif[/img]
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[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif[/img] That's "Sister Mary Polycarp of the Late Rising" to you, missy. And, if you think our horarium is going to include getting up at 2 am, you're sadly mistaken. However, if you persist in the overscrupulousness of rising before the rest of the Community, I'll ask the Superior to put ME in charge of cooking for the community. THEN you'll know what penance TRULY is! And we may rename you, "Sister Mary Mary Quite Contrary of the Beautiful Garden." [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='01 July 2010 - 09:00 PM' timestamp='1278036059' post='2136824']
[img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif[/img] That's "Sister Mary Polycarp of the Early Rising" to you, missy. And, if you think our horarium is going to include getting up at 2 am, you're sadly mistaken. However, if you persist in the overscrupulousness of rising before the rest of the Community, I'll ask the Superior to put ME in charge of cooking for the community. THEN you'll know what penance TRULY is! And we may rename you, "Sister Mary Mary Quite Contrary of the Beautiful Garden." [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]
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Sorry I got your name wrong Sister Mary Polycarp of the Early Rising. I never said you had to get up at 2am just that Id be outside your cell ringing the bells Hmm your cooking as a penance.... I dunnoooo.... I grew up around some pretty bad cooks so I doubt it could be any worse! Are you a bad singer? That would probably work better as a penance than being a bad cook.

[laetitia crucis]

This thread brings me MUCH joy!

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='02 July 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1278097961' post='2136993']
Sorry I got your name wrong Sister Mary Polycarp of the Early Rising. I never said you had to get up at 2am just that Id be outside your cell ringing the bells [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif[/img] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ninja.gif[/img] Hmm your cooking as a penance.... I dunnoooo.... I grew up around some pretty bad cooks so I doubt it could be any worse! Are you a bad singer? That would probably work better as a penance than being a bad cook.
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Sorry, I CAN sing. I don't have a solo quality voice, but in college I was in the University Chorus (that's not the glee club, but the one the music majors were in where you had to sight sing--among other skills--as part of your audition). So, I will have nothing to apologize for in the choir of the Phatmass Phemale Community. (I'm glad there will be SOMETHING I won't have to apologize for!)

Plus, I thought we were going to have hermitages? I'm kind of wary of cells (although I like the concept--I'd enjoy having a cell) because, with my luck, they'd put me in a cell next to someone who snored loudly or next to the bells! and I couldn't complain because of my vow of obedience. Or, I'd have the cell next to you, and when you weren't keeping me awake by ringing the bells, I'd be kept awake by the sound of your sobbing holy tears. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img]

If we had cells, maybe we could put the Carmelites in their own section, so that they could sob all night if they wanted. For those of us with different gifts, it takes a good night's sleep to be alert enough to study theology and write learned papers! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img]

Edited July 2, 2010 by IgnatiusofLoyola

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='02 July 2010 - 06:55 PM' timestamp='1278114915' post='2137158']
Sorry, I CAN sing. I don't have a solo quality voice, but in college I was in the University Chorus (that's not the glee club, but the one the music majors were in where you had to sight sing--among other skills--as part of your audition). So, I will have nothing to apologize for in the choir of the Phatmass Phemale Community. (I'm glad there will be SOMETHING I won't have to apologize for!)[/quote]

One of the questions this community asked me was if I could sing which Im not great at but in a group Im ok. Its not a requirement, anymore, but they said in the past one of the things that would be asked of a woman interested in a vocation would be to sing at the grille! I told them Id do it if they wanted me to but they said no its ok. I suspect they just didnt want to have to listen to the dogs barking again that day

[quote]Plus, I thought we were going to have hermitages? I'm kind of wary of cells (although I like the concept--I'd enjoy having a cell) because, with my luck, they'd put me in a cell next to someone who snored loudly or next to the bells! and I couldn't complain because of my vow of obedience. Or, I'd have the cell next to you, and when you weren't keeping me awake by ringing the bells, I'd be kept awake by the sound of your sobbing holy tears. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] [/quote]

Oh right the hermitages Maybe in the summer we can have tent week as part of the yearly retreat or if camping isnt your thing then at least marshmallow night.
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If we had cells, maybe we could put the Carmelites in their own section, so that they could sob all night if they wanted. For those of us with different gifts, it takes a good night's sleep to be alert enough to study theology and write learned papers! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif[/img][/quote]

Ah but of the 33 doctors of the church 3 are Carmelites, the same number as the Dominicans, so clearly all that crying hasnt hampered their writing ability
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church"]http://en.wikipedia....r_of_the_Church[/url]

[size="1"]I swear I did not edit that wikipedia article to include the pictures of Therese and Teresa but Im glad someone did[/size]

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='02 July 2010 - 08:45 PM' timestamp='1278121529' post='2137195']
Oh right the hermitages [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/doh.gif[/img] Maybe in the summer we can have tent week as part of the yearly retreat [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/camp.gif[/img] or if camping isnt your thing then at least marshmallow night.

Ah but of the 33 doctors of the church 3 are Carmelites, the same number as the Dominicans, so clearly all that crying hasnt hampered their writing ability [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/twothumbsup.gif[/img]
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_the_Church"]http://en.wikipedia....r_of_the_Church[/url]

[size="1"]I swear I did not edit that wikipedia article to include the pictures of Therese [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img] and Teresa but Im glad someone did[/size] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/D.gif[/img]
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It's not the crying that's the problem--I can cry with the best of them. (I wish I couldn't.) It's the fact that loud crying would keep me awake. Silent tears of holy joy would be okay. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] I'm so jealous of people who can get by with less sleep. For Carmelites, crying holy tears seems to help their writing. But, we Jesuits (LOL) need our sleep. (Actually I don't know that. For all I know, Jesuits get by on only a few hours of sleep a night. I'll have to look into that.)

Hmmm, if I decide to be a female Jesuit, would that mean I could design my own habit since I'd be the only one? I'm going to have to look up what Jesuit habits look like. The only Jesuits I've met have been dressed the same as diocesan priests (or they were in vestments).

[JTheresa]

I read the title to this thread and was very happy.


Then I read through the two pages of posts.







Just kidding.

You guys crack me up.

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='02 July 2010 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1278125846' post='2137221']
It's not the crying that's the problem--I can cry with the best of them. (I wish I couldn't.) It's the fact that loud crying would keep me awake. Silent tears of holy joy would be okay. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/saint.gif[/img] I'm so jealous of people who can get by with less sleep. For Carmelites, crying holy tears seems to help their writing. But, we Jesuits (LOL) need our sleep. (Actually I don't know that. For all I know, Jesuits get by on only a few hours of sleep a night. I'll have to look into that.)

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Hmm from reading St Teresa's autobiography she mentions how there were times when she would be taken into a union or rapture, and much to her embarrassment, would cry out unable to prevent the cry or moan. Going by her writings then I'd say it's not the crying of holy tears being loud enough to worry about, it would be cries and moans from someone far into the interior castle that God decides to give those experiences to. None of that would be coming from me, I can assure, as I am nowhere near being holy enough for that kind of thing.

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[quote name='JTheresa' date='02 July 2010 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1278131159' post='2137256']
I read the title to this thread and was very happy.


Then I read through the two pages of posts.







Just kidding.

You guys crack me up.


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The prioress of this Carmel came to the grille to tell me we would be leaving at a certain time to take me back to the airport. Instead she started telling me a funny story about how a friend of hers dragged her to a monastery for a visit when they were in highschool. She didn't want to be a nun her friend did but things ended up the opposite. Ten or so minutes later she's like oh ya I came to tell you we would like to leave at 9:30 to take you to the airport! I was amused that she had hijacked her own conversation

Edited July 3, 2010 by vee8

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='vee8' date='03 July 2010 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1278186675' post='2137460']
The prioress of this Carmel came to the grille to tell me we would be leaving at a certain time to take me back to the airport. Instead she started telling me a funny story about how a friend of hers dragged her to a monastery for a visit when they were in highschool. She didn't want to be a nun her friend did but things ended up the opposite. Ten or so minutes later she's like oh ya I came to tell you we would like to leave at 9:30 to take you to the airport! I was amused that she had hijacked her own conversation [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/lol.gif[/img]
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Great story!

My mind isn't linear, so sometimes (often?) I get off on a tangent I find interesting or fun, and leave the specific subject I'm supposed to be discussing. But, the interesting thing is that, in my mind, at least, the tangents ARE usually related to the specific subject in some way, even if the listener/reader can't see it, and I normally DO get back to the orginal subject eventually. If it is taking too long to get to the point, friends have to remind me to get back on point, and I've (mostly) learned not to be insulted by that, even though I think the other person missed an interesting story by making me stick to the subject. I like to delude myself that my non-linear mind is a sign of genius. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/dunce.gif[/img]

And, in fact, with your post above, we HAVE returned to the point. The original subject was the building of the new monastery for the Community of nuns you feel most called to (until it sinks in that, if you enter that Community, you're going to be hearing A LOT about St. Therese every day, and be expected to enjoy it, for the rest of your life--but, I digress). Your most recent post talks about a story the prioress told about visiting the original monastery when she was in high school.

Okay, I know the relationship to the original post is a stretch, but at least your post above is more related to the original thread than most of the posts on the past few pages.

Personally, I usually enjoy hijacked threads. They are often more fun, and sometimes more relevant to what's really going on with us right now than the original thread.

We started the thread talking about new construction, and now we have returned to the monastery in B.C., instead of the imaginary monastery in our minds.

Sister Polycarp [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif[/img]

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='03 July 2010 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1278189192' post='2137467']
And, in fact, with your post above, we HAVE returned to the point. The original subject was the building of the new monastery for the Community of nuns you feel most called to (until it sinks in that, if you enter that Community, you're going to be hearing A LOT about St. Therese every day, and be expected to enjoy it, for the rest of your life--but, I digress). Your most recent post talks about a story the prioress told about visiting the original monastery when she was in high school. [/quote]

Gosh I hope they dont mention Therese[size="3"] every[/size] day! I forget which monastery it was she said she visited, or was dragged to, but I think it was a different Order.

[quote]Personally, I usually enjoy hijacked threads. They are often more fun, and sometimes more relevant to what's really going on with us right now than the original thread.[/quote]

I like hijacked threads too, hijacked conversations, imaginary monasteries ... and whiskers on kittens... these are a few of my favorite things *cough*

Edited July 4, 2010 by vee8

[JTheresa]

While we are on the topic of construction, I really think we need to start building that imaginary monastery.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

[quote name='JTheresa' date='04 July 2010 - 12:05 AM' timestamp='1278219903' post='2137611']
While we are on the topic of construction, I really think we need to start building that imaginary monastery.
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Certainly. Every other Order seems to be building a monastery!

And, the wonderful thing is that since our community is imaginary, we will have acres of beautiful grounds, and it won't cost a thing!