Sternhauser Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mcts' timestamp='1296112850' post='2204968'] It's at least sexual activity. [/quote] It isn't. It's an abuse of the sexual faculty. It is stimulation of the sex organs, but it is not sexual activity. Neither is rape a sexual act. That is why the Church allows nuns to use non-abortifacient (non-hormonal) contraception in places where there is a high likelihood of rape. Sexual acts are unitive and open to procreation. ~Sterhauser Edited January 27, 2011 by Sternhauser
AudreyGrace Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296140256' post='2205032'] It isn't. It's an abuse of the sexual faculty. It is stimulation of the sex organs, but it is not sexual activity. Neither is rape a sexual act. That is why the Church allows nuns to use non-abortifacient (non-hormonal) contraception in places where there is a high likelihood of rape. Sexual acts are unitive and open to procreation. ~Sterhauser [/quote] ....what? like what? Where is this in writing, I haven't heard about this.
Jesus_lol Posted January 28, 2011 Posted January 28, 2011 This thread took a very clear turn towards Stupid, when people started debating which sexual acts can be called sexual. Im not sure on what planet these semantic arguments are needed, but it isnt this one.
AudreyGrace Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1296174181' post='2205408'] This thread took a very clear turn towards Stupid, when people started debating which sexual acts can be called sexual. Im not sure on what planet these semantic arguments are needed, but it isnt this one. [/quote] iawtc if we need to ask ourselves "hmm.. is this sexual?" then it probably is, and abstain from doing it. Unless you're married. Then go have all the sex you want. As long as you're open to babies! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img]
MithLuin Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1296369453' post='2206624'] iawtc if we need to ask ourselves "hmm.. is this sexual?" then it probably is, and abstain from doing it. Unless you're married. Then go have all the sex you want. As long as you're open to babies! [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img] [/quote] Well...not quite.... But I agree with the gist of your comment. It is, of course, possible to commit sexual sins with one's spouse. [And not just contraception.]
AudreyGrace Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1296371186' post='2206625'] It is, of course, possible to commit sexual sins with one's spouse. [And not just contraception.] [/quote] true, true.
Sternhauser Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1296163388' post='2205245'] ....what? like what? Where is this in writing, I haven't heard about this. [/quote] "Compassionate and understanding care should be given to a person who is the victim of sexual assault. Health care providers should cooperate with law enforcement officials and offer the person psychological and spiritual support as well as accurate medical information. A female who has been raped should be able to defend herself against a potential conception from the sexual assault. If, after appropriate testing, there is no evidence that conception has occurred already, she may be treated with medications that would prevent ovulation, sperm capacitation, or fertilization. It is not permissible, however, to initiate or to recommend treatments that have as their purpose or direct effect the removal, destruction, or interference with the implantation of a fertilized ovum.[sup]19"[/sup] http://www.usccb.org/bishops/directives.shtml ~Sternhauser
Sternhauser Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1296174181' post='2205408'] This thread took a very clear turn towards Stupid, when people started debating which sexual acts can be called sexual. Im not sure on what planet these semantic arguments are needed, but it isnt this one. [/quote] As a wise 6-year old once said, "Words mean stuff." ~Sternhauser
MithLuin Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 They do. But I'm pretty sure that most of the things being obliquely discussed in this thread are sexual acts, even if they are [i]not[/i] sexual intercourse. Certainly, they are sexual sins. So, the attempts to be pedantic are obfuscating the issue rather than clarifying it. Anyway, back to avoiding a discussion of living out celibacy, albeit temporarily.
Hinter dem Horizont Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 (edited) I'm 24, straight, and still a virgin. It's something people make fun of because people these days are having sex at 15 years old. Edited January 31, 2011 by Hinter dem Horizont
MithLuin Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 To be fair, it used to be fairly normal to get married at 15 years old....at least for girls.
Guest Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='God the Father' timestamp='1296501223' post='2207091'] MOB [/quote] Does that stand for what I think it stands for ?
God the Father Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 [quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296503110' post='2207121'] Does that stand for what I think it stands for ? [/quote] forget the club dog i would rather count a million bucks
JenDeMaria Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='MithLuin' timestamp='1296403180' post='2206699'] They do. But I'm pretty sure that most of the things being obliquely discussed in this thread are sexual acts, even if they are [i]not[/i] sexual intercourse. Certainly, they are sexual sins. So, the attempts to be pedantic are obfuscating the issue rather than clarifying it. Anyway, back to avoiding a discussion of living out celibacy, albeit temporarily. [/quote] Actually, if I could clarify something that might make the contested point easier to understand -- the word "sex" means "gender". From dictionary.com: " Sex: either [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/the"]the[/url] male or [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/female"]female[/url] division of a species, esp. as differentiated with reference to the reproductive functions". Which is why, for instance, a vet tech who is "sexing kittens" is checking for evidence of testes not preparing to breed them. Through misuse of the term, "sex" evolved to indicate "coitus" sometime in the 1950s. In the 90s the term was deliberately stretched to include homosexual acts comparable to intercourse specifically to make it possible to compare "gay sex" with "straight sex". This wordplay should concern Catholics simply because it places homosexuality (and, really, any number of sins of the flesh) on a par with normative sexual intercourse. It makes it possible for a person to say "Well, that's the kind of sex you prefer... but not the kind I prefer" etc. In other words, it would be impossible to argue for gay marriage, or any kind of gay rights -- or even, any kind of alternative intercourse for married people of opposing genders-- without our current acceptance of the loose and conciliatory definition of the word "sex". But if the word "sex" means "gender" then "sexual intercourse" defacto includes the interaction of opposing reproductive functions which would eliminate the notion of "gay sex". Admittedly, trying to argue this point in a more than academic fashion, is culturally swimming up-stream. To be more on-topic: Yay for the chaste! I am celibate, also. Go us -- and thank you, Jesus. I personally recommend the brown scapular (Our Lady helps those who wear the scapular to fulfill its requirements -- and one of the requirements is to practice chastity according to one's state in life) and the practice of saying 3 Hail Marys every evening before bed. 1)With the first Hail Mary remember that God promised Adam and Eve after their sin that a virginal foot would crush the head of the serpent -- then ask our Good Mother to destroy every evil tendency in your own heart. 2) With the second Haily Mary rejoice with the archangel Gabriel that the "Fiat" of Mary allowed the light of Christ to enter the world -- then ask Our Lady to help you fully accept and live the pure life Christ wills for you. 3) With the third Hail Mary remember that Our Lady is the Queen of Heaven and our Mother -- pray for her intercession that, by the grace of God, you may choose to press forward to the Kingdom of Heaven, everyday, without fail. And if you want to be really old school you can kiss the floor as an act of humility after each Hail Mary -- but it's not required
Vincent Vega Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296400252' post='2206691'][u][b]sexual[/b][/u] assault [/quote]
Mark of the Cross Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296400252' post='2206691'] [u][b]sexual[/b][/u] assault. [/quote]
Socrates Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 Anarchists get to define words however they please.
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