Sternhauser Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1304226739' post='2235238'] Ah so thats how you react when you can't call someone a racist. Instead you accuse them of insulting you. [/quote] Uh, Infinite, really, where did that notion that Havok was a racist come from? He was using the possibility of racists as a legitimate example. ~Sternhauser Edited May 1, 2011 by Sternhauser
havok579257 Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1304227695' post='2235240'] when did you call me a racist? [/quote] so you accuse me of being racists. you personally insult me. you can't even apologize for accusing of being racist and insulting me when you were in the wrong.
Vincent Vega Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1304227695' post='2235240'] when did I call you a racist? [/quote] Somewhere between here:[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1304225948' post='2235235']But nobody made a racial issue out of this other than you. Are you sure you aren't a racist? [/quote] and there. So at about 12:59 EDT. Edited May 1, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS
Sternhauser Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) To get back to our pre-accusation interruption discussion . . . havok579257 wrote: [quote]to sit there and watch someone as they die and refuse to help them when that is my job is wrong. if i ever did that i should not only be fired[/quote] Correct. [quote]i understand you hate the state and everything it stands for. you think the state does nothing good. well sorry to inform you, just like with nearly all things in life, there is good and bad about it.[/quote] Yes. There is good and bad about leeches, whorehouses, and Satan himself, too. It doesn't mean we need any of them to survive, or that their presence in one's life is at all desirable. [quote]it is the states responsibility to make sure a class of people is not being slighted.[/quote] Collectives do not have rights. Only individuals have rights. Therefore, only individuals have responsibilities. [quote]well if the only people who were hired as paramedics in a certain city were white people who refused to help black people, it would put a black person at a disadvantage and could and would lead to their death. it is a good thing the state does not allow this type of thing to happen.[/quote] Except when "black" is changed to "human" and "white" is changed to "police officer." Who do not have an obligation to protect any particular individual, according to the State's blackrobes. Again, you're putting the cart before the horse. You think the State can countermand an entrenched culture. It cannot. People were openly using chemical contraception and committing sodomy long before statutes against the practices were repealed. You cannot [i]make[/i] people good. You cannot morally [i]coerce[/i] their wills. Physical violence may only be used to stop physically aggressive attacks. [quote]i understand you think that the state has no business butting in, but your wrong. the state needs to step in when a person or group of people is being denied basic rights. the right to life is the most basic right. it is God's most basic right. you have the right to life, no matter what your skin color, gender or fincial status is.[/quote] The good of the right to life cannot be protected by the immoral means of coercing the free will. That includes torture. [quote]you don't work in the medical field, so you can never understand what we do.[/quote] You don't think I understand, eh? [quote]we help people. that is our job. getting into the profession i knew it was my job to help all people. i knew that, accepted that and even agreed with it going in. that is part of the field. to refuse to do your job and have that lead to someone's death is wrong. i should not be allowed to work in my field if i refuse to do my job.[/quote] Do you understand that I believe that everyone should be helped, and that physicians are morally obliged to assist in saving human life insofar as it is practical and possible? Did you catch that? I don't think you did. You should have. I repeated it several times in various ways. [quote]i should not be allowed to work in my field if i refuse to do my job.[/quote] Correct. You should be fired. But your free will may not be coerced. [quote]no other field of work holds a persons life in your hands.[/quote] You haven't seen people in State-issued clothing going overseas to kill people recently? [quote] people should not be allowed to have medical care denied to them, thus letting them die. the right to refuse someone care so they die should never be a right. NEVER[/quote] Again, have you not seen what I've written? There is a difference between a "right," and "not using physical violence to coerce someone's will to do their jobs." So you either believe that it is moral to coerce someone's will, or you believe what the Church teaches on the issue: "Whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind,[i] [b]attempts to coerce the will itself;[/b][/i] . . . all these things and others like them are infamies indeed. They poison human society, and they do more harm to those who practice them than to those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are a supreme dishonor to the Creator" (GS 27, EV 3). Which is it going to be, Havok? ~Sternhauser Edited May 1, 2011 by Sternhauser
infinitelord1 Posted May 1, 2011 Author Posted May 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1304227699' post='2235241'] Uh, Infinite, really, where did that notion that Havok was a racist come from? He was using the possibility of racists as a legitimate example. ~Sternhauser [/quote] [mod]personal attack[/mod] Edited May 1, 2011 by Lil Red
infinitelord1 Posted May 1, 2011 Author Posted May 1, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1304228475' post='2235245'] Somewhere between here: and there. So at about 12:59 EDT. [/quote] I asked him if He thought He was a racist.
dUSt Posted May 1, 2011 Posted May 1, 2011 [quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1304186888' post='2235072'] I wish I could get him on the radio where I live. I think hes only in select areas like San Francisco and Austin, Tx. [/quote] He's on in Dallas/Ft Worth.
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