Catholic And Gay

[Ale.SOLT]

So yesterday, as we (Young adult group) discussed Israel and how the main religion isn't Catholicism there, some how the topic of being gay and Catholic came up. There is a blog [url="http://youngandcatholic.net/2011/07/catholic-and-gay"][u]Catholic and Gay[/u][/url] that explains that you can still be catholic but have to choose to live a celibate life.

I am so happy that finally someone can come out and speak the truth and Catholics and homosexuality.

Either way, sex out of marriage is a sinful thing to do, gay or straight.

Please read this blog passage and let me know what you think about it.

[mortify]

I think it was a fantastic blog post. God bless the man, and may God grant him many years!

[Ale.SOLT]

I love how he says that he looks to Catholic for acceptance and not other gay people. He knows what he's talking about.

[Papist]

Here's a man living with SSA and trying to live a faithful Catholic life. Steve Gershom is a pseudonym.

[url="http://www.stevegershom.com/"]http://www.stevegershom.com/[/url]

[Guest ephesians_612]

Dude, this guy is amesome. He's right on about homosexuality being a condition, not an identity.

[Basilisa Marie]

This one is also of the same kind of excellent:
[url="http://jamesmerton.com/"]http://jamesmerton.com/[/url]

[stevil]

Christianities opposition to homosexuality will be their downfall.
Society has moved on with acceptance, compassion and love for these people. Society does not feel that anyone has the right to suggest that gay people should be celibate.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1322936502' post='2344087']
Christianities opposition to homosexuality will be their downfall.
Society has moved on with acceptance, compassion and love for these people. Society does not feel that anyone has the right to suggest that gay people should be celibate.
[/quote]
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of child porn? Viewing it, not producing it.

Edited December 3, 2011 by Nihil Obstat

[stevil]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322940773' post='2344111']
Just out of curiosity, what do you think of child porn? Viewing it, not producing it.
[/quote]
I am for pornography, but against child pornography.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1322947942' post='2344156']
I am for pornography, but against child pornography.
[/quote]
Now keep in mind I'm talking about viewing, not production, but why against child porn?

[stevil]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322948141' post='2344157']
Now keep in mind I'm talking about viewing, not production, but why against child porn?
[/quote]
Because it is against the law for children to have sex and children are easy prey for Adult pedophiles who would have their way with them against their will. Child pornography displays children in a sexual mannor, which is contrary to the law.

[beatitude]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1322936502' post='2344087']
Christianities opposition to homosexuality will be their downfall.
Society has moved on with acceptance, compassion and love for these people. Society does not feel that anyone has the right to suggest that gay people should be celibate.
[/quote]

Society has a negative view of celibacy in general. I often have to gently dissuade well-meaning friends from trying to set me up with dates, and I'm well aware that there is a tendency to equate celibacy with loneliness and lack of fulfilment. If you approach it from this standpoint, the Catholic belief that gay people should remain celibate looks punitive. It's not. If you're called to it, it's a very rich and rewarding way of life. It's also not just for gay people. Plenty of straight Christians are called to be celibate. I'm one of them. It doesn't prevent us from giving or receiving love - if anything, it heightens our awareness of friendship and the different ways there are to relate to people outside of romance. This is one of the things that I value most about how I live. When people talk about celibacy, they talk so much of what you don't have, and not enough of what you [i]do[/i] have.

Even Christians are guilty of this. Sadly there are many Catholics who have fallen into the trap of seeing the single life as a lonely life, and a romantic relationship as something that everybody needs. When I broke the news that I was going to make vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, I was told by my (Catholic) relatives not to be too hasty about it because 'I might meet the right man'. Clearly to them celibacy is some kind of desperate last resort. Imperfect understanding of celibacy amongst Catholics contributes to the popular idea that it must be some horrible thing - a punishment for people who aren't heterosexual, or something that heterosexuals reluctantly accept if they can't find anyone who will marry them. This devalues the tradition and it's wrong. I can't repeat it often enough, but celibate life is not about absence - it's about presence. Being present to other people in a way that you just couldn't be if you were in an exclusive relationship, and allowing God to be present to you and in you in the way He has chosen. Once more Catholics start to grasp this, perhaps others will follow suit.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1322936502' post='2344087']
Christianities opposition to homosexuality will be their downfall.
Society has moved on with acceptance, compassion and love for these people. Society does not feel that anyone has the right to suggest that gay people should be celibate.
[/quote]
The funny thing about society is that it generally doesn't know what's good for itself.
Also, look at the flavors of Christianity that accept homosexual acts and those that don't, and then compare their membership trends over the past 20 years.

[stevil]

[quote name='beatitude' timestamp='1322967424' post='2344244']
Society has a negative view of celibacy in general.
[/quote]
It is fine for you to choose to be celibate. That is your choice, for whatever reason.

But to try and impose this onto other adults, simply because you believe your god doesn't like it, this is going too far in my opinion. Leave it to god to judge, it is between them and god (if there is one).

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='stevil' timestamp='1322972546' post='2344278']
It is fine for you to choose to be celibate. That is your choice, for whatever reason.

But to try and impose this onto other adults, simply because you believe your god doesn't like it, this is going too far in my opinion. Leave it to god to judge, it is between them and god (if there is one).
[/quote]

American society gives everyone the right to suggest whatever they want. Christianity's been around for 2000 years - I doubt it's going to end anytime soon. And it's not really about imposing. It's about recognizing an objective good and truth and trying to convince others of it. And like beatitude said, we Catholics are supposed to lead by example. The Catholic Church (especially) since Vatican II has very much recognized the religious freedom of all. But at the same time, that doesn't mean Christians or Catholics must be silent when others disagree. Why do others have more of a right to speak their opinion than Catholics?