Strictlyinkblot Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Not sure I could manage 04:30. I found 05:20 tough enough and that was with a cup of tea
marigold Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='Strictlyinkblot' timestamp='1326583335' post='2369147'] Not sure I could manage 04:30. I found 05:20 tough enough and that was with a cup of tea [/quote] You know what, it was the roosters that did it. Best alarm clocks ever. I think they run on liturgical time. One year, a sister got a cheap deal on a batch of unsexed mixed chicks. It turned out they were all boys. 4 a.m. was party time for them and any sister who thought she'd have a lie-in had to rethink pretty quickly. The loudest one got named Stewpot and that is indeed where he ended up.
Strictlyinkblot Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 [quote name='marigold' timestamp='1326584811' post='2369163'] You know what, it was the roosters that did it. Best alarm clocks ever. I think they run on liturgical time. One year, a sister got a cheap deal on a batch of unsexed mixed chicks. It turned out they were all boys. 4 a.m. was party time for them and any sister who thought she'd have a lie-in had to rethink pretty quickly. The loudest one got named Stewpot and that is indeed where he ended up. [/quote] 'Vengence is mine', says the Lord. Or his wife's
Queen'sDaughter Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 Since the horarium seemed to generate a lot of interest, for comparison here is the horarium of the Benedictines of Mary (the order I have been accepted to): [center]4:30 Rise[/center] [center]4:45 Matins[/center] [center]Lauds/Lectio[/center] [center]7:15 Mass/Prime/[/center] [center]Chapter/Work[/center] [center]10:30 Terce/Work[/center] [center]12:15 Sext/Rosary[/center] [center]Recreation/Work[/center] [center]3:00 None/Dinner/Classes[/center] [center]4:45 Vespers/Lectio[/center] [center]6:00 Work[/center] [center]7:30 Compline Readings/Compline[/center] [center]9:00 Lights out[/center] This is their winter schedule, as their schedule changes depending on the season. When I was visiting I always retired immediately after compline (about 8:30), as I do love to sleep! One Sundays, the day is much less structured, as there is no work on the Lord's day. The Benedictines do get more sleep than the Carmelites do, which is a definite plus for me!
EmilyAnn Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Benedictines do seem to like their sleep! Perhaps a consideration in my internal Carmelite/Benedictine debate. I like sleep.
Queen'sDaughter Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 I know that I struggled and sometimes still do struggle with an attraction to the Carmelites, but practically, I couldn't live the life! I actually to believe that one of the tools discerners can use is the measure of their ability to live the life of the orders they are interested in. For myself, I am not physically capable of living the very austere life of, say, the Poor Clares. I also do not think that I am capable of living the Carmelite life, and that knowledge has helped my solidify my resolution to join the Benedictines.
Nunsense Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1326574859' post='2369034'] They have a small breakfast .. [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/CarmelOfJesusMaryJosephValparaisoNE#5051543847235483010"]https://picasaweb.go...543847235483010[/url] And one reason their day starts a little earlier than other Carmels is because their Divine Office is longer (ie there are 5 psalms in Lauds & Vespers instead of 3) and they have Prime. I know at least in one Carmel they didn't pray the Rosary together as a community before. But when the Office changed and they had more time, they added it. Valp. & Elysburg do the old Office and the Rosary in common, so they have to fit everything in somewhere. It's great they have that siesta though. Some Carmels don't have it. Also I thought St. Teresa said her nuns would always get 6 hours of sleep, but I could be wrong. I have a friend discerning Carmel too who keeps mentioning that. We'll have to find it .. edit: the Little Hours in the old Office have 3 psalms as they do now :j [/quote] Well, this detective is referring to the 1991 Constitutions, which state in Chapter Paragraph 96: "Nevertheless, the the horarium will keep the faithful balance, which St Teresa wanted, among the hours of prayer, work and rest, as well as harmony between times of solitude and of community acts. They should see to it that about seven hours be given to rest at night, in accord with the Teresian tradition." The Constitutions of 1581 brought into conformity with Vat 2 according to Canon Law in 1990 do not specifically state the number of hours of sleep but they do discuss hours of the Divine Office and suggest rising at 5am in the summer and 6am in the winter, and encourage all activities to be ceased by 11pm. But since they use solar time, which has had to be adapated to our current use, they are not adhered to strictly in that sense. Each Carmel is autonomous and have leeway to change or adapt the Horarium to suit their own community, location, customs etc. So some rise at 4.30am and others not until 6am. The four I have been in have all had a small breakfast, although this followed after Mental Prayer and Lauds. [quote name='Queen'sDaughter' timestamp='1326588538' post='2369232'] This is their winter schedule, as their schedule changes depending on the season. When I was visiting I always retired immediately after compline (about 8:30), as I do love to sleep! One Sundays, the day is much less structured, as there is no work on the Lord's day. The Benedictines do get more sleep than the Carmelites do, which is a definite plus for me! [/quote] On Sundays, there may be no 'work' but there are probably still essential dutires . I loved Sundays and Solemnities in Carmel because there was no income producing work but there were still things like cooking and sacristy etc, and as I was assistant Sacristan and Provisor, my work load was actually very busy because during these days the Sacristan work and food work was doubled! But I still had time to myself during the times when we would have been doing the other regular work like sewing or gardening or altar breads or printing or whatever. And your community sounds great... but not all Benedictines get to sleep the whole night through either. Some rise during the night to pray Matins like the Poor Clares!
Strictlyinkblot Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I think the Redemptorist nuns have the right idea, they don't get up until 06:30 and their prayer schedule starts at 07:00. www.rednuns.com
Lisa Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Strictlyinkblot' timestamp='1326581516' post='2369132'] Early to bed and early to rise, literally. [/quote] makes a nun healthy, [b][i]faithful[/i][/b], and wise? Since 'wealthy' didn't seem to fit here!
Lisa Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) My Sisters' horarium (an active-contemplative community to compare with the Carmelites/Benedictines) [size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]5:00 am[/font][/size] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Rise[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]5:30 am[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Eucharistic Holy Hour[/font] [list] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Angelus[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Morning Offering[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Office of Readings (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Meditation[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Lauds (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Marian Consecration[/size][/font] [/list] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]6:30 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Holy Sacrifice of the Mass[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Prayer for Vocations[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:05 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Breakfast[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][b][u]Professed[/u][/b][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:30 am - 4:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Apostolate[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][u][b]Novitiate[/b][/u][/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]8:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] House Duties[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]9:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Class I[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]10:15 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Class II[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]11:30 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Meditation (Novices)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]12:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Midday Prayer (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]12:15 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Lunch[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]1:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Rosary[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]1:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Athletic Recreation[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]2:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Class III[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]3:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Personal Time (Prayer, study, work)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][u][b]Community[/b][/u][/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]4:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Spiritual Reading[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]5:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Vespers (Divine Office) & Rosary[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]5:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Dinner[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]6:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Community Recreation[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Spiritual Reading[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Compline (Divine Office) with Salve Procession[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]8:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Silence - Time for prayer and study[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]10:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Profound Silence[/size][/font] Edited: formatting. Edited January 15, 2012 by Lisa
Strictlyinkblot Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Lisa' timestamp='1326662572' post='2369631'] makes a nun healthy, [b][i]faithful[/i][/b], and wise? Since 'wealthy' didn't seem to fit here! [/quote] That works for me.
Strictlyinkblot Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) Oops, duplicate post Edited January 15, 2012 by Strictlyinkblot
Guest hermanita Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 .My future community, Contemplative/Apostolic, rises at 4:30 a.m. .
Sarah147 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='hermanita' timestamp='1326665244' post='2369657'] .My future community, Contemplative/Apostolic, rises at 4:30 a.m. . [/quote] I'm looking into that same order.... What time is bed??
marigold Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Lisa' timestamp='1326662728' post='2369633'] My Sisters' horarium (an active-contemplative community to compare with the Carmelites/Benedictines) [size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]5:00 am[/font][/size] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Rise[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]5:30 am[/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Eucharistic Holy Hour[/font] [list] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Angelus[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Morning Offering[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Office of Readings (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Meditation[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Lauds (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [*][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Marian Consecration[/size][/font] [/list] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]6:30 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Holy Sacrifice of the Mass[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Prayer for Vocations[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:05 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Breakfast[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][b][u]Professed[/u][/b][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:30 am - 4:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Apostolate[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][u][b]Novitiate[/b][/u][/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]8:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] House Duties[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]9:00 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Class I[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]10:15 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]Class II[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]11:30 am[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Meditation (Novices)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]12:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Midday Prayer (Divine Office)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]12:15 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Lunch[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]1:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Rosary[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]1:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Athletic Recreation[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]2:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Class III[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]3:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Personal Time (Prayer, study, work)[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][u][b]Community[/b][/u][/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]4:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Spiritual Reading[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]5:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Vespers (Divine Office) & Rosary[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]5:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Dinner[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]6:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Community Recreation[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:30 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Spiritual Reading[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]7:45 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Compline (Divine Office) with Salve Procession[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]8:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Silence - Time for prayer and study[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]10:00 pm[/size][/font] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=4] Profound Silence[/size][/font] Edited: formatting. [/quote] Yikes, that's pretty intensive.
PhuturePriest Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1326501119' post='2368598'] I am a bit surprised at only 6 hours sleep as St Teresa made it very clear that she wanted her nuns to have 7 hours sleep every night and a siesta during the day. hmmmm. [/quote] What can you expect from a Spaniard used to a daily siesta? Us tough Americans like to live on the edge. And no tea, either. Coffee only. Then again, we are famous for constantly being in wars... I have no clue how I'll make it with the Franciscan Brothers Minor. I read that they pray at twelve in the morning, and then wake up at six. I really, really hope that's a typo...
truthfinder Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1326677852' post='2369801'] I really, really hope that's a typo... [/quote] Hate to break it to you, but it's probably not But you'd probably get a couple hours sleep before having to rise at midnight, probably pray for an hour, and then get back up to six. Franciscans have been doing this for centuries. Edited January 16, 2012 by truthfinder
linnie Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 You know.........many people who are not in religious life do keep a similar schedule regarding sleeping and rising. I get up at 3:45 a.m. and am at work by 4:30. I work 12 to 13 hours as a nurse, then come home and maintain my household. Until a few years ago that included raising 4 sons. I go to bed at 9 p.m. I'm not saying that its easy but you do get used to it. on those rare times when I can sleep in, I'm usually up by 5 or 5:30. Its amazing what your body adjusts to given time and effort. blessings, Linnie
Sister Marie Posted January 16, 2012 Posted January 16, 2012 We don't have a set time for rising or retiring - we just make sure we are at community prayers on time! Our sisters have a variety of apostolic commitments so while we do pray and eat together, personal prayer, rising, retiring, and so on are according to our own schedule. I wake up at 4:30 according to my own personal horarium, haha. It really isn't too bad and I really value the quiet, still morning hours for personal prayer before the activity of the day begins. It is my favorite time of the day. There are some sisters I know who are awake far before 4:30 though and still put in a full day of apostolic work... they are amazing to me!
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