Traditionalism & Fascism

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[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327358398' post='2374042']
Yes, well we certainly shouldn't pray for those who persecute us
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That's a complete dodge and you know it. The link between fascism and the 'Catholic right' is there. It can be seen theoretically in the intellectual history that lead to the development of fascism and it can be seen empirically in the history of particular fascist parties and states. I agree that his comment about the prayers for Hitler on his birthday were probably an unfair swipe, but the rest of his point was perfectly valid.

Edited January 23, 2012 by Hasan

[ardillacid]

Wow, putting words in my mouth much? I didn't even comment on the topic, I just thought the video you posted was pretty weak. He's upset that the Catholic Church prayed for Hitler and didn't excommunicated Nazis? I'm certain you and Hitchens can do better than that video

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[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1327359143' post='2374048']
Wow, putting words in my mouth much? I didn't even comment on the topic, I just thought the video you posted was pretty weak. [/QUOTE]

You're right, I apologize.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1327359215' post='2374049']


You're right, I apologize.
[/quote]no worries, I should have omitted my post, it was tangential to the topic and trollish.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1327358146' post='2374038']
[Christopher Hitchens anti-Catholic bullcrap]
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Godwin's Law strikes again!

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1327358804' post='2374045']
That's a complete dodge and you know it. The link between fascism and the 'Catholic right' is there. It can be seen theoretically in the intellectual history that lead to the development of fascism and it can be seen empirically in the history of particular fascist parties and states. I agree that his comment about the prayers for Hitler on his birthday were probably an unfair swipe, but the rest of his point was perfectly valid.
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Of course, "it can be seen theoretically . . ." Using the fast-and-loose methodology of Hitchens and yourself, one can "theoretically" establish a "link" between absolutely any group of people and any other group of people.

In fact, one can much more accurately establish a link between Communism and the atheistic left. (Or fascism, for that matter, as its first serious leader, Benito Mussolini was an atheist.)

Neither Hitler nor the other Nazi party leaders were Catholics, and the Nazi party and the Catholic Church were opposed from the very beginning. This is well confirmed by the actual historical record. Pope Pius XI wrote an encyclical [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P11BRENN.HTM"][i]Mit Brennender Sorge[/i][/url] denouncing Nazism in 1937, and his successor Pope Pius XII saved more Jews from the Nazis than other individual during the Second World War.

Christopher Hitchens is full of poo.

A plethora of articles refuting such nonsense here: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat/344"]The Church and the Holocaus[/url]t.
[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/chistory/PIUS12.htm"]More here[/url].


But what the heck, might as well stop hiding it and come clean. Every Sunday at my conservative FSSP Latin-Mass parish we hang up a picture of Adolf Hitler and red swastika banners (as we despise those hippie "God is Love" burlap banners so popular in liberal parishes), goose step about singing fervent hymns to Der Fuehrer, then listen attentively as the priest outlines the latest details of the secret Traditionalist plot to establish a fascist neo-Nazi dictatorship in America.
The rest of you are all doomed! DOOMED!!