MIKolbe Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Also, murder your flesh, to me, has hints of gnosticism....
Selah Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Maybe unintentional, though. Still, it's cheezy, at best.
Laudate_Dominum Posted February 7, 2012 Author Posted February 7, 2012 Peta disapproves. Meat is murder. :sadder:
Selah Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' timestamp='1328639283' post='2383079'] Peta disapproves. Meat is murder. :sadder: [/quote] SILLEH HERETK AMINAMS WERE POOT ON TEH URFS FOUR US 2 EATZ DEM LULZ
Papist Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Wait...wouldn't murder your flesh be suicide? Hey, was that video clip taken in Oregon?
Papist Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='Selah' timestamp='1328639426' post='2383080'] SILLEH HERETK AMINAMS WERE POOT ON TEH URFS FOUR US 2 EATZ DEM LULZ [/quote] I think you just murdered the English language. And did you have to yell, too?
Seven77 Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 A certain hip-hop group used the words, "committing suicide to the flesh" to describe mortification. It just doesn't sound right. That said, why are we trigger happy critics that miss the good? i say God bless these people for their sincere efforts at evangelization.
Ice_nine Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1328639058' post='2383073'] Also, murder your flesh, to me, has hints of gnosticism.... [/quote] I see this "body/flesh bad, spirit soul good" type of thinking quite frequently among this brand of Christian. I don't think it's intentional. I think they've been grossly misinformed. [quote name='Seven77' timestamp='1328653723' post='2383227'] A certain hip-hop group used the words, "committing suicide to the flesh" to describe mortification. It just doesn't sound right. That said, why are we trigger happy critics that miss the good? i say God bless these people for their sincere efforts at evangelization. [/quote] I'm a trigger happy critic because I used to be enmeshed with these sort of things, and like (I think it was BG) said that it churns out atheists who feel like they've been emotionally manipulated. While I didn't become an atheist, I certainly felt emotionally manipulated. Thankfully I didn't get involved to the point where I became part of a church/group in the "real world," (I had SEVERE social anxiety, but it was fine because faith is personal and we have teh internets and church tv ryt?), but I still felt tricked and cheap and in addition to other things just led to a sense of existential hopelessness for a bit. Then there were issues of feeling like my mental disorders were the result of a problem with my relationship with God. Gah, a mess. I do understand that I let my own past get in the way of being objective here, but I also have relationships with people who feel the same way about these movements. It can be very damaging OR very emotionally satisfying but devoid of anything really nutritive. That to me is a big problem. Yus, I'm a hater
Archaeology cat Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I always think of that passage where Apollos (?) was preaching about Jesus, but didn't have the full picture. Priscilla and Aquila took him aside and praised his faith, and then pointed out his errors, showing him the full truth. So yes, I commend them for their zeal and love of Jesus, while pointing out their errors in hope that they will embrace the full truth.
Selah Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Ah, I'll give you that. If they weren't so willfully ignorant about Catholics and such, I might be able to give them the benefit of the doubt (and if they stopped spamming Marcos' page with "ZOMG SONNY IS TEH ONLEH KRISTIAN MEMBER OV P.O.D. U SMOKE HOOKAH DATS LIEK MARYWANA RITE? LOL" I'd be happy too). It's kinda like Hillsong. They are "wrong" but they aren't, as far as I have found, anti-Catholic; In fact, I've read that they give to and support Catholic charities. So there's really no reason for me to speak out against them (yet...). With Hillsong you might have more of a chance to do what the above Scripture says, but the whosos are too arrogant and prideful.
Papist Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 I think they have to be anti-catholic to be a serious Jesus follower among their Jesus follower peers. Just like a liberal has to be a vegetarian to be a serious liberal among their liberal peers...or is it progressive these days.
Selah Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 Nah. I've met some hardcore liberals who devour meat like it's the ambrosia of the gods lol.
Archaeology cat Posted February 8, 2012 Posted February 8, 2012 [quote name='Selah' timestamp='1328710111' post='2383630'] Ah, I'll give you that. If they weren't so willfully ignorant about Catholics and such, I might be able to give them the benefit of the doubt (and if they stopped spamming Marcos' page with "ZOMG SONNY IS TEH ONLEH KRISTIAN MEMBER OV P.O.D. U SMOKE HOOKAH DATS LIEK MARYWANA RITE? LOL" I'd be happy too). It's kinda like Hillsong. They are "wrong" but they aren't, as far as I have found, anti-Catholic; In fact, I've read that they give to and support Catholic charities. So there's really no reason for me to speak out against them (yet...). With Hillsong you might have more of a chance to do what the above Scripture says, but the whosos are too arrogant and prideful. [/quote]I get you. And yes, it is infuriating when people won't accept the correction. I know I'm rather stubborn and prideful at times, too, though. I don't know. Right now, my main frustration is with family when we have these conversations. Sigh. Prayers are appreciated.
Louie Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors - not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. Â For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Â Romans 8:12-13 Put to death...is to mortify...to mortify is to murder Funny how you all want to correct others but yet refuse correction yourselves...have you considered that you just might be the ones who are wrong about your opinion? You might be the ones who are unwilling to see the truth in the matter? Of course...not...arrogance and pride runs through all of our veins and that just might be what keeps any of you to see this movement for what it truly is...OF GOD! I've been praying hard for you guys and will continue to ask God to soften the hearts of those of you who are too proud and too arrogant to see beyond your opinion...I ask you to do the same for me...grace and peace unto you all!
Louie Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. Galatians 2:20
Louie Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. 1 Corinthians 9:27 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them. Â Â Â Â But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. Colossians 3:5-8 You see it's all biblical...we go by what the bible teaches...though we use words that may not be pleasing to the flesh...our acts of obedience to God are pleasing to our souls! Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. Matthew 16:24-25 Therefore we murder our flesh...and follow Jesus Edited February 19, 2012 by Louie
Archaeology cat Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 [quote name='Louie' timestamp='1329675253' post='2389402'] Funny how you all want to correct others but yet refuse correction yourselves...have you considered that you just might be the ones who are wrong about your opinion? You might be the ones who are unwilling to see the truth in the matter? Of course...not...arrogance and pride runs through all of our veins and that just might be what keeps any of you to see this movement for what it truly is...OF GOD! I've been praying hard for you guys and will continue to ask God to soften the hearts of those of you who are too proud and too arrogant to see beyond your opinion...I ask you to do the same for me...grace and peace unto you all! [/quote]I don't know about others here, but truly examining my beliefs and finally looking to see if I was wrong is how I came into the Church. I still like to examine my beliefs and learn more. Thank you for your prayers. You also have mine.
Papist Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 Hey Louie, Welcome back. You ready to ignore some more of my questions?
Winchester Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) [mod]violation of guidelines[/mod] Edited February 21, 2012 by Lil Red
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