EmilyAnn Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335301621' post='2422843'] The Catechism is not a psychological journal, or a medical textbook. When people pretend it is, they do so at their own peril. [/quote] Psychological journals aren't exactly a pillar of truth either. I've read more than enough of them to know. I'm a psychology student and psychologists have such a terrible understanding of statistics that half the time their findings aren't saying what they think they're saying at all. It's very easy to manipulate and pull strings in data, not to mention social and political pressures to get certain results and don't even get me started on the DSM. CaliforniaCatholic is right, homosexuality was removed and several others disorders included purely because of political and social lobbying. It's a lot less 'scientific' than you might think.
cappie Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335301621' post='2422843'] Also, the Catechism doesn't say that it is "a" disorder, but rather that the sexual inclinations experienced by a homosexual male or female are not properly ordered, in the sense that a man is not supposed to desire another man, or a woman another woman. According to this thinking, there is a natural order of things, and any deviations from that is out of order, or "disordered." The Catechism is not a psychological journal, or a medical textbook. When people pretend it is, they do so at their own peril. [/quote] Correct The Catechism, states (in a line often ignored) that gays and lesbians must be welcomed with "respect, sensitivity and compassion." They can also reach "Christian perfection," that is, holiness, Nos 2358,2359
Anomaly Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 kujo, the rules are it's okay to be a homosexual, you just can't ever have sex. It's okay to have a roomate of any gender, you just can't ever have sex. It's okayto live by yourself, you just can't ever masterbate. It's okay to date, you just can't have pre-marital sex. It's okay to be married, you just can't use birth control. It's okay to divorce, you just can't ever remarry. Those are the Catholic rules. Once you know them, as a Catholic, you can't break them without commiting a mortal sin and going to hell, unless you change your belief and get forgiveness as a Catholic. No matter how nice that gay couple is that you know, the Caholic one ain't getting in heaven if they stay together until they die. That Catholic friend who lived with her boyfriend and got hit by a car isn't going to get there either. That great Catholic teacher you had in 7th grade the got you to recognize your worth and intelligence isn't going to enter the Gates because she and her husband stopped at two kids and use condoms. Your Catholic uncle who remarried after his first wife left him for another guy will never see the kids he had with his second wife in heaven, nor will the kids ever see their dad in Heaven ([i]if the make it). [/i]Catholics aren't messing around.
cappie Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1335315540' post='2422998'] kujo, the rules are it's okay to be a homosexual, you just can't ever have sex. It's okay to have a roomate of any gender, you just can't ever have sex. It's okayto live by yourself, you just can't ever masterbate. It's okay to date, you just can't have pre-marital sex. It's okay to be married, you just can't use birth control. It's okay to divorce, you just can't ever remarry. Those are the Catholic rules. Once you know them, as a Catholic, you can't break them without commiting a mortal sin and going to hell, unless you change your belief and get forgiveness as a Catholic. No matter how nice that gay couple is that you know, the Caholic one ain't getting in heaven if they stay together until they die. That Catholic friend who lived with her boyfriend and got hit by a car isn't going to get there either. That great Catholic teacher you had in 7th grade the got you to recognize your worth and intelligence isn't going to enter the Gates because she and her husband stopped at two kids and use condoms. Your Catholic uncle who remarried after his first wife left him for another guy will never see the kids he had with his second wife in heaven, nor will the kids ever see their dad in Heaven ([i]if the make it). [/i]Catholics aren't messing around. [/quote] I wish it was that simple make my life a whole lot easier
CaliforniaCatholic Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335301621' post='2422843'] Also, the Catechism doesn't say that it is "a" disorder, but rather that the sexual inclinations experienced by a homosexual male or female are not properly ordered, in the sense that a man is not supposed to desire another man, or a woman another woman. According to this thinking, there is a natural order of things, and any deviations from that is out of order, or "disordered." The Catechism is not a psychological journal, or a medical textbook. When people pretend it is, they do so at their own peril. [/quote] For your infomation, many priests are psychologists, and they contributed to the Catechism. But thank God they are not beholden to the mainstream stupidity [mod]personal attack[/mod] I take it from your posts that you are one of two things: [b]1)[/b] A Catholic who does not believe Catholic teaching, just the type of person we do not need in the Church.... or.. [b]2) [/b]A non-Catholic who felt the need to join a Catholic forum and denounce our beliefs [mod]personal attack[/mod] Edited April 25, 2012 by Lil Red personal attack
CaliforniaCatholic Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335276347' post='2422655'] Or do you think the Catechism is wrong:[/quote] [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335299924' post='2422825'] Yes. [/quote] And who appointed you Pope?
Lil Red Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335363691' post='2423150'] For your infomation, many priests are psychologists, and they contributed to the Catechism. But thank God they are not beholden to the mainstream stupidity [mod]personal attack[/mod] I take it from your posts that you are one of two things: [b]1)[/b] A Catholic who does not believe Catholic teaching, just the type of person we do not need in the Church.... or.. [b]2) [/b]A non-Catholic who felt the need to join a Catholic forum and denounce our beliefs [mod]personal attack[/mod] [/quote] you may want to go and read the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules"]Phorum Guidelines[/url], one of which prohibit personal attacks. and kujo is a long time member, friend to many here, and so you may want to refrain from being that newcomer guy who calls longtime members "losers". Edited April 25, 2012 by Lil Red
Archaeology cat Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Yo[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1335364660' post='2423156'] you may want to go and read the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]Phorum Guidelines[/url], one of which prohibit personal attacks. and kujo is a long time member, friend to many here, and so you may want to refrain from being that newcomer guy who calls longtime members "losers". [/quote]you beat me to it, Red.
Amppax Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1335364660' post='2423156'] you may want to go and read the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules"]Phorum Guidelines[/url], one of which prohibit personal attacks. and kujo is a long time member, friend to many here, and so you may want to refrain from being that newcomer guy who calls longtime members "losers". [/quote] Beat me to it Red. Haha, and so did Archeology cat!
Anomaly Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335363691' post='2423150'] For your infomation, many priests are psychologists, and they contributed to the Catechism. But thank God they are not beholden to the mainstream stupidity [mod]personal attack[/mod] I take it from your posts that you are one of two things: [b]1)[/b] A Catholic who does not believe Catholic teaching, just the type of person we do not need in the Church.... or.. [b]2) [/b]A non-Catholic who felt the need to join a Catholic forum and [color=#800000][i][b][s]denounce[/s] chall[/b][/i][/color][i][b][color=#800000]enge y[/color][/b][/i]our [color=#800000][s][i][b]beliefs[/b][/i][/s][/color] [color=#800000][i][b]opinion[/b][/i][/color] [mod]personal attack[/mod] [/quote]I'm not kujo, but I'll accept [b][color=#800000]loser, category 2[/color][/b] for myself, please. I'll wait for another hundred posts from you before I'll ask for your catagory. Edited April 25, 2012 by Lil Red
CaliforniaCatholic Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1335364660' post='2423156'] you may want to go and read the [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?app=forums&module=extras§ion=boardrules"]Phorum Guidelines[/url], one of which prohibit personal attacks. and kujo is a long time member, friend to many here, and so you may want to refrain from being that newcomer guy who calls longtime members "losers". [/quote] Nice avatar
CaliforniaCatholic Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) Any Catholic who rejects Catholic doctrine is, according to the Catechism, a heretic Is this really a Catholic website? Or is it just a bunch of liberal morons Edited April 25, 2012 by CaliforniaCatholic
PadrePioOfPietrelcino Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335370229' post='2423195'] Any Catholic who rejects Catholic doctrine is, according to the Catechism, a heretic Is this really a Catholic website? Or is it just a bunch of liberal morons [/quote] This is a very catholic website, one that believes charity is important in all of our dealings, not just when people agree with us. This is also the Debate Table, where those who do not agree with the Church come to express that freely and to enter into a debate...not to be insulted. There is room for treating others fairly and justly without having to give ground on the truth. I for one am by no means either liberal or a moron.
Ice_nine Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 CaliCatholic, Ignore them. They're all liberal fairies. I've been trying for years to get them to see the light. It's of no use. Not to mention, this place is crawling with trolls. --Ice_nice
Archaeology cat Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='PadrePioOfPietrelcino' timestamp='1335370938' post='2423201'] This is a very catholic website, one that believes charity is important in all of our dealings, not just when people agree with us. This is also the Debate Table, where those who do not agree with the Church come to express that freely and to enter into a debate...not to be insulted. There is room for treating others fairly and justly without having to give ground on the truth. I for one am by no means either liberal or a moron. [/quote]Exactly. And those who consistently espouse unorthodox views are called out, but insults get us nowhere. I know kujo and I disagree on some things. I pray that one day he does fully accept Church teaching on these things, but I also know how difficult that can be, having struggled with Church teaching on contraception myself. People charitably pointing things out, and leaving me to mull it over and pray helped a lot. God bless
Papist Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335370229' post='2423195'] Any Catholic who rejects Catholic doctrine is, according to the Catechism, a heretic Is this really a Catholic website? Or is it just a bunch of liberal morons [/quote] How about we have a calm and charitable discussion with these "heretics". Let's use reason, not contempt, to present the Church's teachings, and let the Holy Spirit do the rest to bring 'em home to Rome. K? Edited April 25, 2012 by Papist
fides' Jack Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335370229' post='2423195'] Any Catholic who rejects Catholic doctrine is, according to the Catechism, a heretic Is this really a Catholic website? Or is it just a bunch of liberal morons [/quote] Honestly, I thought the same thing when I joined, and then I found that there were a bunch of people here who are even more traditional than I am (which is hard to be, considering my 'more catholic than the pope' background). There are some heretical things said, and they are always called out. Keep in mind that Kujo's tag specifies that he's not Catholic, just for these cases, so that new posters like yourself don't get confused. There are a few non-Catholics on this board, and I think I've had my battles with all of them. But they also have some good insights that we don't see as Catholics, and I think in general they practice Christian charity better than most of the Catholics here. So by all means, yes, call out the heresy! Just don't call names while you do it.
MIKolbe Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 in other words.. welcome to our house and our phamily...don't croutons on the carpet.
fides' Jack Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 "[color=#008000]Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path & walking the[/color]" line? walk? talk? Just what are you trying to say?
MIKolbe Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I think you need to adjust some of you computer settings. It reads fine on my computer. But thanks for spamming.
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