kujo Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 (edited) [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335363691' post='2423150'] For your infomation, many priests are psychologists, and they contributed to the Catechism. But thank God they are not beholden to the mainstream stupidity [mod]personal attack[/mod] I take it from your posts that you are one of two things: [b]1)[/b] A Catholic who does not believe Catholic teaching, just the type of person we do not need in the Church.... or.. [b]2) [/b]A non-Catholic who felt the need to join a Catholic forum and denounce our beliefs [mod]personal attack[/mod] [/quote] I am imperfect, as are you. Yet God loves me, as He does you. And while I may be a "loser" by your standards, I sleep better at night knowing that I use my God-given reason to try and understand and respect everyone's beliefs, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. When I don't agree with something, I say so, because I am honest. Expressing those opinions have earned me the appropriate tag on Phatmass so that people like yourself know which direction to aim your displeasure. Edited April 25, 2012 by Lil Red
cmotherofpirl Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1335375508' post='2423247'] I think you need to adjust some of you computer settings. It reads fine on my computer. But thanks for spamming. [/quote] doesn't work on mine either
MIKolbe Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335378097' post='2423267'] I am imperfect, as are you. Yet God loves me, as He does you. And while I may be a "loser" by your standards, I sleep better at night knowing that I use my God-given reason to try and understand and respect everyone's beliefs, regardless of whether or not I agree with them. When I don't agree with something, I say so, because I am honest. Expressing those opinions have earned me the appropriate tag on Phatmass so that people like yourself know which direction to aim your displeasure. [/quote] you.liberal.scum. I mean that in a good way.
cmotherofpirl Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='CaliforniaCatholic' timestamp='1335370229' post='2423195'] Any Catholic who rejects Catholic doctrine is, according to the Catechism, a heretic Is this really a Catholic website? Or is it just a bunch of liberal morons [/quote] This is the debate board. Feel free to disagree with someone's points. But when people come here and call names it is usually assumed they are incapable of producing an actual discussion. Please don't put yourself in that category. We have had atheists, wiccans, eveangelicals, muslims, hard-core whatevers, and while we can vehemently disagree AND uphold magisterial teaching, we try to show some basic manners. Kindly try it. Thank you.
kujo Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1335381757' post='2423281'] you.liberal.scum. I mean that in a good way. [/quote] Tell that to [font=Arial, sans-serif][size=3]my voter ID [/size][/font]
Papist Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1335381515' post='2423279'] doesn't work on mine either [/quote] FYI....There's a Japanese virus running around.
MIKolbe Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335382080' post='2423285'] Tell that to [font=Arial, sans-serif][size=3]my voter ID [/size][/font] [/quote] your voter ID is a whore and everyone knows this.
franciscanheart Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335301621' post='2422843'] Also, the Catechism doesn't say that it is "a" disorder, but rather that the sexual inclinations experienced by a homosexual male or female are not properly ordered, in the sense that a man is not supposed to desire another man, or a woman another woman. According to this thinking, there is a natural order of things, and any deviations from that is out of order, or "disordered." The Catechism is not a psychological journal, or a medical textbook. When people pretend it is, they do so at their own peril. [/quote] For the record, what you stated here isn't wrong, to the best of my knowledge. You disagree, I know, but you gave fact. Good on you.
fides' Jack Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1335381515' post='2423279'] doesn't work on mine either [/quote] It works if I zoom in on the page. Do you have your browser zoomed in, kolbe?
add Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1335279855' post='2422708'] Thank you Father. This is why I said divorce is not a sin: [color=#282828]2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage. [/color] [/quote] This sin is the quality of life that is lost by both partners. Unfortunately both partners of the marital relationship suffer. Even when one party is innocent, offsprings, in-laws, Family, all have their quality of life diminished. That is the sin, that is the shame,
Autumn Dusk Posted April 29, 2012 Author Posted April 29, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1335382067' post='2423284'] This is the debate board. Feel free to disagree with someone's points. But when people come here and call names it is usually assumed they are incapable of producing an actual discussion. Please don't put yourself in that category. We have had atheists, wiccans, eveangelicals, muslims, hard-core whatevers, and while we can vehemently disagree AND uphold magisterial teaching, we try to show some basic manners. Kindly try it. Thank you. [/quote] Not only that...there is ligitimate variety in Catholic beliefs. Calling someone a heretic is very serious business. For instance Lifeteen reformed as per vatican issue. It is now in good standing. However many people still launch attacks and belittle the ministry. There are many issues in the church that have not been seen through and until that time the people are allowed discourse on many matters.
cmotherofpirl Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1335696599' post='2424711'] This sin is the quality of life that is lost by both partners. Unfortunately both partners of the marital relationship suffer. Even when one party is innocent, offsprings, in-laws, Family, all have their quality of life diminished. That is the sin, that is the shame, [/quote] Again. those are legitimates losses, but they are not sins.
kujo Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1335696599' post='2424711'] This sin is the quality of life that is lost by both partners. Unfortunately both partners of the marital relationship suffer. Even when one party is innocent, offsprings, in-laws, Family, all have their quality of life diminished. That is the sin, that is the shame, [/quote] Dude, open up the catechis[color=#333333]m and reorient your definition of sin. [/color]
add Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 (edited) [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1335713629' post='2424750'] Dude, open up the catechis[color=#333333]m and reorient your definition of sin. [/color] [/quote] There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm Edited April 29, 2012 by add
cmotherofpirl Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1335726460' post='2424832'] There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: "Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. [/quote] Divorce isn't on that list. There is also a great deal of difference between reacting to something happen in your life and reacting emotionally, and cultivating an emotion of anger, jealousy etc.
add Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 Divorce isn't on that list. There is also a great deal of difference between reacting to something happen in your life and reacting emotionally, and cultivating an emotion of anger, jealousy etc. You say, Abandoning your family is not a sin? Frankly I find that hard to believe.
Lil Red Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 [quote name='add' timestamp='1336300292' post='2427603'] Divorce isn't on that list. There is also a great deal of difference between reacting to something happen in your life and reacting emotionally, and cultivating an emotion of anger, jealousy etc. You say, Abandoning your family is not a sin? Frankly I find that hard to believe. [/quote] I think Deus te Amat was giving reading comprehension lessons. You might take her up on her offer.
add Posted May 6, 2012 Posted May 6, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1336311302' post='2427618'] I think Deus te Amat was giving reading comprehension lessons. You might take her up on her offer. [/quote] Would it be a sin, not to?
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