Ron Paul Supporters Here?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1334886552' post='2421065']
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Wasn't aware you were a Florida rez. What part of A[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]merica's tail do you live in?[/font]
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Gainesville for school, but home is Jacksonville.

[Winchester]

[quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1334887555' post='2421078']
Ron Paul is just another way for the establishment to ensure that Obama gets another term.
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If Ron Paul were controlled by the Establishment, you might have a point. In fact, suggesting Ron Paul as a kind of false flag operation would probably get the conspiracy nuts up in arms. Maybe it would distract them from their incredibly stupid theories about the collapse of burning buildings being impossible.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334936494' post='2421262']
If Ron Paul were controlled by the Establishment, you might have a point. In fact, suggesting Ron Paul as a kind of false flag operation would probably get the conspiracy nuts up in arms. Maybe it would distract them from their incredibly stupid theories about the collapse of burning buildings being impossible.
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You don't have to know that you're serving the other side's interests in order to do so. You just need some naivete.

People who think a third party candidate has a chance of winning don't know what they're talking about. That's the point of third parties in America really, to take votes away from serious candidates.

[4588686]

[url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/[/url]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1334936494' post='2421262']
If Ron Paul were controlled by the Establishment, you might have a point. In fact, suggesting Ron Paul as a kind of false flag operation would probably get the conspiracy nuts up in arms. Maybe it would distract them from their incredibly stupid theories about the collapse of burning buildings being impossible.
[/quote] [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/[/url]

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334945012' post='2421309']
You don't have to know that you're serving the other side's interests in order to do so. You just need some naivete.

People who think a third party candidate has a chance of winning don't know what they're talking about. That's the point of third parties in America really, to take votes away from serious candidates.
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If everyone that wanted to vote third party stopped whining about the viability of third party candidates and actually started voting for them, then they'd [b][i]BE[/i][/b] viable.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1334946698' post='2421324']
If everyone that wanted to vote third party stopped whining about the viability of third party candidates and actually started voting for them, then they'd [b][i]BE[/i][/b] viable.
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There aren't enough people who want to Brian. The only reason you would want to vote third party is if you had principals, and how many voters actually have those?

[4588686]

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Ron Paul is helping Mitt Romney. It's been obvious for months. You'd think Paul's followers would be outraged by this -- but they're not.[/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia,]
The Paul-Romney alliance means the race's most ideologically pure fiscal conservative has effectively [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out"]sold out[/url] to the least conservative, least consistent, most establishmentarian candidate in the field. Romney favors the basic concept of progressive taxation and a government's right to compel citizens to purchase health insurance. It's unthinkable that he would, if elected, end the Federal Reserve. Alone among the candidates, he insists that there be no cuts to any military spending. All these stances are anathema to Paul's staunchly absolutist world view.[/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia,]
On paper, you would think Romney would be the chief subject of attacks from the Paul campaign, which has, in its television ads, been more unapologetically negative than any other. Paul has run[url="http://youtu.be/jSVi45vfA6o"]one ad[/url] that slams all three of his rivals -- Newt Gingrich ("serial hypocrite"), Rick Santorum ("counterfeit conservative") and Romney ("flip-flopper). But that's nothing compared to the attacks he's unleashed pointed solely at Santorum ("[url="http://youtu.be/cgNJBdTaKE8"]fake[/url]," "[url="http://youtu.be/5Aohgrn1peA"]a record of betrayal[/url]") and Gingrich ("[url="http://youtu.be/hRdqGKA782A"]selling access[/url]").[/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia,]
Romney is the major only candidate Paul hasn't singled out in an ad. And Paul's ads against his competitors have been far more brutal than anything Romney or his super PAC have put on the airwaves. In crucial stages of the GOP primary thus far, he's put hundreds of thousands of dollars behind these ads, helping squelch Santorum and Gingrich when they posed the most danger to Romney's candidacy.[/font][/color][color=#000000][font=Georgia,]
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Read more: [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/[/url][/font][/color]

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334948705' post='2421340']
There aren't enough people who want to Brian. The only reason you would want to vote third party is if you had principals, and how many voters actually have those?
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What I'm seeing is a disconnect. For every 1 person I meet that [i]wants[/i] to vote either R or D I meet 10 that wish there was another option.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334948705' post='2421340']The only reason you would want to vote third party is if you had principals, and how many voters actually have those?
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Very few voters, but most schools and pipe organs do. Try them.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1334950438' post='2421348']
What I'm seeing is a disconnect. For every 1 person I meet that [i]wants[/i] to vote either R or D I meet 10 that wish there was another option.
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You actually talk politics with everyone you meet?

Edited April 20, 2012 by r2Dtoo

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1334950814' post='2421351']
Very few voters, but most schools and pipe organs do. Try them.
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Schools could care less about whether or not you listen to their principals as long you send in the check. I should know, I actually do go to them. And no one except religious people have ever cared about pipe organs, unless you're trying to put on a horror show.

Edited April 20, 2012 by r2Dtoo

[Laudate_Dominum]

Ponies brought me here.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334951737' post='2421359']
Schools could care less about whether or not you listen to their principals as long you send in the check. I should know, I actually do go to them. And no one except religious people have ever cared about pipe organs, unless you're trying to put on a horror show.
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I don't know, most schools teach their elementary and junior high students to listen to their principals very closely. By high school, I think most kids are over doing everything their principals tell them, though.

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1334952646' post='2421369']
I don't know, most schools teach their elementary and junior high students to listen to their principals very closely. By high school, I think most kids are over doing everything their principals tell them, though.
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True.

I'm in college, however.

Edited April 20, 2012 by r2Dtoo

[Vincent Vega]

{{citation needed}} (your principal is not an acceptable source)

[r2Dtoo]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1334953097' post='2421376']
{{citation needed}} (your principal is not an acceptable source)
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Sorry about that. Misread your quote.

Still, there might be hope...

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1334949365' post='2421345']
[color=#000000]Ron Paul is helping Mitt Romney. It's been obvious for months. You'd think Paul's followers would be outraged by this -- but they're not.[/color]
[color=#000000]The Paul-Romney alliance means the race's most ideologically pure fiscal conservative has effectively [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_out"]sold out[/url] to the least conservative, least consistent, most establishmentarian candidate in the field. Romney favors the basic concept of progressive taxation and a government's right to compel citizens to purchase health insurance. It's unthinkable that he would, if elected, end the Federal Reserve. Alone among the candidates, he insists that there be no cuts to any military spending. All these stances are anathema to Paul's staunchly absolutist world view.[/color]
[color=#000000]On paper, you would think Romney would be the chief subject of attacks from the Paul campaign, which has, in its television ads, been more unapologetically negative than any other. Paul has run[url="http://youtu.be/jSVi45vfA6o"]one ad[/url] that slams all three of his rivals -- Newt Gingrich ("serial hypocrite"), Rick Santorum ("counterfeit conservative") and Romney ("flip-flopper). But that's nothing compared to the attacks he's unleashed pointed solely at Santorum ("[url="http://youtu.be/cgNJBdTaKE8"]fake[/url]," "[url="http://youtu.be/5Aohgrn1peA"]a record of betrayal[/url]") and Gingrich ("[url="http://youtu.be/hRdqGKA782A"]selling access[/url]").[/color]
[color=#000000]Romney is the major only candidate Paul hasn't singled out in an ad. And Paul's ads against his competitors have been far more brutal than anything Romney or his super PAC have put on the airwaves. In crucial stages of the GOP primary thus far, he's put hundreds of thousands of dollars behind these ads, helping squelch Santorum and Gingrich when they posed the most danger to Romney's candidacy.[/color]
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[color=#000000]Read more: [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/does-the-romney-ron-paul-pact-make-paul-a-sellout/253805/"]http://www.theatlant...sellout/253805/[/url][/color]
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Hasan, I never thought I would ever say this, but we actually agree [i]100% [/i]on this! Ron Paul has a good record (Except for that 50% pro-choice voting record he has under his belt), but he's an absolute sell-out. If you take notice at the debates, he only goes after Romney's biggest threat. You can take notice of that if you look at South Carolina debate(s), Florida debate(s), and all of the debates when Santorum was the big candidate. All the while, he never gives Romney any notice, when if anything Romney is the one that disagrees most with his supposed policies. I'm sure he's a good guy, but he's a sell-out, and that's not what we need right now.

Now that my opinion has been said, I must take my leave. Differences of opinions are permitted, and I am fine with that. This is one of the few rights that we still have, though Obama has been going after that as well so I don't expect to have it for much longer.

Edited April 20, 2012 by FuturePriest387

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334951632' post='2421356']
You actually talk politics with everyone you meet?
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Not everyone, but it's always a good conversation starter when I don't have much else to go on.

[Jesus_lol]

Im voting for Paul Atreides.

[BG45]

[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1334946698' post='2421324']
If everyone that wanted to vote third party stopped whining about the viability of third party candidates and actually started voting for them, then they'd [b][i]BE[/i][/b] viable.
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Amen. Teddy Roosevelt couldn't win re-election as a third party candidate, but he made a darn good showing of the running. It was during that point that he was shot, not while he was President of the United States, and continued to deliver his speech despite leaking blood. His rhetoric sounds awfully familiar too, "to destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of statesmanship today...This country belongs to the people. Its resources, its businesses, its laws, its institutions, should be utilized, maintained, or altered in whatever manner will promote the general interest".

Edit: Also worth pointing out, though the Democrats won that election, Roosevelt had more votes than the Republican candidate.

Edited April 20, 2012 by BG45