Burn A CD?Why Not Just Steal One.

[Fiat_Voluntas_Tua]

There is no difference in burning a CD and stealing a CD...in both situations you obtain the CD by not purchasing it.

Pax et Agape per Mariam, Andy

[Livin_the_MASS]

Agree! Same as stealing!

Pax
Jason

[Fiat_Voluntas_Tua]

word...

[Crusader_4]

true

[Dave]

Whoever voted no, I'd be interested in hearing their reasoning.

[the_rev]

Dave,

So would I!

I know, Catholicity.com encourages for you to make copies of their tapes and cd's but of course that's different, since it's meant to help build up the kingdom of God.

[CreepyCrawler]

well you could read the question as just downloading music in general and there are some artists who make music available for downloading/burning without purchase. maybe someone read the question that way?

[IcePrincessKRS]

Some services where you download music you also have to pay a fee for (like the new version of napster) and you can DL a whole CD, its perfectly legal so in that sense no, its not a sin to burn it on a CD.

(FYI, I didn't vote no.)

[Winchester]

Is it stealing to tape a song playing on the radio?

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote name='Winchester' date='May 17 2004, 01:36 AM'] Is it stealing to tape a song playing on the radio? [/quote]
If you would sell them yes, but the way it would sound no one would want to by it. haha!

God Bless
Jason

[OwNeD_byGoD]

ok, so my question is would it still be considered stealing if a friend bought a cd and made you a copy (he isnt charging you)

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='thywillbedone7' date='May 16 2004, 10:18 PM'] There is no difference in burning a CD and stealing a CD...in both situations you obtain the CD by not purchasing it.

Pax et Agape per Mariam,  Andy [/quote]
I burned a CD of some of the work I was doing for college. According to you I'm breaking the law, despite me buying the CD and all the work on it being from my hands.

May I suggest you get a clue.

Edited May 17, 2004 by RandomProddy

[Sojourner]

If you purchase a CD, you are allowed to make a copy of it for your own personal use (in the car, for example) and you are allowed to give those copies to friends as long as you do not charge them.

I see nothing wrong with borrowing a copy of a CD from a friend if my intent is to listen to it for the purpose of deciding whether or not I wish to purchase the CD for myself. If I like the CD, I buy it. If I don't, I am not out the $15 I would have been in buying the CD, and I can give the copy back.

Now, if a person's entire CD collection consisted of copies of CDs, and he or she had no intention of purchasing those CDs, then I'd say a person needs to examine their motives. (For the record, I currently have no copies in my collection.)

I have a friend, for example, who would love to listen to a CD I have. He has four young children, so I am loathe to let him borrow the original CD because I like it and don't want it to get accidentally destroyed.

In this instance, I would have no problem in making a copy and loaning it to my friend in lieu of loaning the original. Is this stealing? I would argue that I am protecting the investment I made in the original.

[CreepyCrawler]

soujourner, i do agree with you

[cmotherofpirl]

I burn CD's of music I already own and considering I own more than 200 record albums, I can burn quite a lot.



Please explain the difference beween copying a song off the TV or radio, and copying one my friend sends me over the net?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='May 17 2004, 08:10 AM'] If you purchase a CD, you are allowed to make a copy of it for your own personal use (in the car, for example) and you are allowed to give those copies to friends as long as you do not charge them.

I see nothing wrong with borrowing a copy of a CD from a friend if my intent is to listen to it for the purpose of deciding whether or not I wish to purchase the CD for myself. If I like the CD, I buy it. If I don't, I am not out the $15 I would have been in buying the CD, and I can give the copy back.

Now, if a person's entire CD collection consisted of copies of CDs, and he or she had no intention of purchasing those CDs, then I'd say a person needs to examine their motives. (For the record, I currently have no copies in my collection.)

I have a friend, for example, who would love to listen to a CD I have. He has four young children, so I am loathe to let him borrow the original CD because I like it and don't want it to get accidentally destroyed.

In this instance, I would have no problem in making a copy and loaning it to my friend in lieu of loaning the original. Is this stealing? I would argue that I am protecting the investment I made in the original. [/quote]
As long as you and your friend are not listening to the cd at the same time, legally, your okay. If you are listening to it at the same time, then it's not okay. Will the Fed's actually come after you? Probably not.

[jasJis]

This question came up when I installed a DVD burner in a friends computer. We researched the issue while looking for software to copy movies that are copy protected.
In laymen's terms this is what we learned and understand. It applies to CD's as well.

In the US, their are the rights of the original owners of a product (the artist and/or the Production [movie or record] Company, and the rights of the Purchasing Consumer. When I purchase a DVD or CD, I have certain rights and ownership that are limited by the rights and ownership of the Producer. My rights allow me to make copies for my use. For my use means that I can make copies to watch or listen to products in different parts of my house or vehicles. That means I could make copies of movies to watch in my portable DVD player, and my living room for the convience and use of my household. Same for CD's. For the use of my household means that I don't physically have to be there, but it generally benefits me.

When we make copies for friends or family that are not part of our household (like our Uncle or Sister of another household), that is not within the parameter of our Consumer Rights and infringes on the rights of the Producer. We may get the benefit of giving an inexpensive gift, but that is the same benefit of giving something we shoplifted.
When it comes to Broadcast, it is just as clear. If you record from a Broadcast, you put enough effort to have some rights as a Producer since the product loses some rights being broadcast via Public Domain. We can tape songs from the Radio and movies from TV or Cable. Again, we are limited to our use within our household (which includes our vehicles and portable devices).

Making "Compilation" CD's of music is murkier. We gain some certain rights as a Producer by 'compiling' various artists/songs into a unique product. That does [b]not[/b] mean copying an entire CD. We are obligated to include the name of the Artist of the Song by copyright laws. In this case, we may give these to friends at no charge. The benefit to the Artist is being exposed to others who may choose to buy additional products from the Artist since the product we are giving is only partial, is unique, and is not circumventing or blocking the Artist's or Producer's right to commercial gain as the originator of the Product.

When we personally consider what the moral limits are, Christians should not be only thinking what we can get away with within our own rights, but we must consider when we may infringe on other's rights. That does not mean saying if we save $13 on a CD, it means alot to us and nothing to MatchBox20. We have to consider that we may contribute to the erosion of all Artist's rights when combined with thousands elsewhere, have a negative effect because we are also saying to others that it's okay.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Thanks for that explanation jasJis.

[Livin_the_MASS]

:dj:

[Banksey]

okay well i think you stated it wrong. because burning cd can mean many things. burning music you got from your friends cd can be stealing. burning music you downloaded illegaly of the net is stealing. but if you get music like me from dj's who post them on their website or whatever it can't be stealing. or if i have a cd and i'm scared i'l scratch it a lot which i do i might make a backup or put it on my comp.