Non-catholics Have Feelings Too

[Azriel]

[quote name='Ellenita' date='May 25 2004, 12:03 PM'] Though Open Mike has it's moments too!

[/quote]
Uh Yeah! Open Mic isn't just warm and fuzzy like a plate of mashed potatos.

We can be mean.

Violent even!

[Anna]

Well, I've been gone quite a bit, but I have no idea what thread you're referring to....
Maybe someone clue me in???

pax Christi. <><

[Dusty Fro]

Well Christians aren't supposed to be violent. Naughty!

I have no probelm with debate. It's why all my posts are in this forum I'm not going to let a few nutters keep me out of the "ring" so to speak.

[Azriel]

umm... yeah, I was joshing.

Open Mic is pretty warm and fuzzy ..

I was trying to keep troublemakers out of there by being all scarey and stuff.

Didn't work? Man .... my velvet hammer needs some work.

(BTW - HI MAMA ANNA - I MISSED YOU! Go look in the Yahoo Groups Phatbabies Page for new pics of Dani girl)

[P3chrmd]

I think we need to start a thread called 'Catholic have feelings too' because we catholics are ALWAYS the ones who get the bashing...i have yet to see anyone bashing an evangelical!

[Katholikos]

[quote name='P3chrmd' date='May 25 2004, 11:46 PM']I think we need to start a thread called 'Catholic have feelings too' because we catholics are ALWAYS the ones who get the bashing...i have yet to see anyone bashing an evangelical![/quote]
Yeah. What he said.

Catholics are regularly called such perjorative and hateful terms as antiChrists; unthinking, brainwashed automatons; cannibals; cookie-worshipers; idol-worshipers; superstitious papists; magic-believing romanists; unChristian pagans; and many other epithets. And, we're not allowed to read the Bible for ourselves. We need the Pope to think for us. And the list goes on.

There are many professional anti-Catholics who make their living bashing our Church. They are financially supported by other Protestants who irrationally hate the Church and pay the propagandists to produce the books, tapes, tracts, flyers, and other materials that malign us and our Church. Many of them have websites on the Internet.

May God have mercy on them.

JMJ Likos

Edited May 26, 2004 by Katholikos

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='Katholikos' date='May 26 2004, 12:17 PM']Catholics are regularly called such perjorative and hateful terms as antiChrists; unthinking, brainwashed automatons; cannibals; cookie-worshipers; idol-worshipers; superstitious papists; magic-believing romanists; unChristian pagans; and many other epithets.  And, we're not allowed to read the Bible for ourselves.  We need the Pope to think for us.  And the list goes on.

There are many professional anti-Catholics who make their living bashing our Church.  They are financially supported by other Protestants who irrationally hate the Church and pay the propagandists to produce the books, tapes, tracts, flyers, and other materials that malign us and our Church.  Many of them have websites on the Internet.  [/quote]
Very right, I'm sick of how many protestants wanna bash the Catholics. Yet at the same time, it can be the very same way visa versa.

Dusty Fro, it seems you and I share alot of the same feelings on the subject. Though I do believe the Catholic Church was the first church, and the way God intended it to be. It may not have been His will for the protestants to come about, however it doesn't mean the protestants are against the workings of the Lord and that God doesn't move mightly through them either. Remember, Ishmael wasn't God's Will yet God blessed him anyway. He said that ten princes would come from him, I believe. Think about it, if God didn't want Ishmael to be born, He could have easily shut up Hagar's womb. He's done it before with other women, what made this time any different? In all truth it comes down to this, our Walk with God doesn't depend on a religion (and a religion is a set of rituals and rules) anymore, it depends on a RELATIONSHIP with Him. And no, I'm not against religion or ritual, just when we lose focus on Who created the ritual.

There are MANY churches, interdenominational, nondenominational, and protestant, that are really preaching the full Gospel of the Lord out into the world. You have ministries from these denominations getting that Word out there, pastors like Benny Hinn (who I think is a charasmatic Catholic though), Billy Graham, Oral Roberts, and many many more who truely have surrendered their lives to Him and the Gifts of the Spirit are flowing mightily in their lives.


I'll sum up the problem here on both sides:

Protestants: The ones not walking right with the Lord seem to have nothing better to do than bash other protestant denominations plus the Catholic church. Though mostly it's against the Catholic church. Also most of them are sola scriptura (sp?) which means to be soley on scripture, when truth is, there is much not even written in the Bible. I believe personally Mary accended into heaven. Mainly not just cause of what the Catholic church teaches, but because of knowing the Lord and some freaking good ole common sense. You think God, who picked a bride for Himself is just gonna leave her body like everyone else into the ground? I mean come on she gave birth to Jesus, she deserves some sort of reward and honor! So yea I'm not sola scriptura, however I do believe, that to believe if Mary is Queen of Heaven or not doesn't effect your salvation. If it did, God would have made sure it was in the Bible.


Catholics: I do believe Catholics have more historical knowledge of the early Church and some mysteries known that other denominations don't. But also, just like with everyone since we're all human, some Catholics can be biggots and think they're on the ultimate path to God's Will. Any church, even the Catholic church, have problems, cause we're human no matter how much you wanna explain it away. But what upsets me the most is hearing people speak more on trying to convert their friends and family to Catholicsizm (sorry for bad spelling) than trying to help eachother grow in the Lord despite what 'rule' system they choose to use to worship God. There are MANY people who are Catholic, yet aren't Saved. Infact I've seen more people Unsaved in the Catholic church than those in other denominations. Now of course, the unsaved Catholics aren't really true Catholics, but what are the Catholics doing to change that? I'm sure there are some who are ministering the Word to the unsaved, but from what I experianced, and in majority, they just go through the ritual and never have a true relationship with Christ. And more food for thought: Jesus was a Jew, and if you wanna be very technical about it, we should all be Jews. The Jewish religion came before the Catholic. Jesus himself even followed Jewish law, and fullfilled it! Therefore now you got the Messianic Jews, who of course believe in Christ like we do yet also still follow the Jewish holidays in addition to the Christian ones. In all due respect, I think the Jews have more room to talk about conversion that the Catholics. And also, didn't Paul say that our Salvation is by Faith, not law and works? Before Christ it was by the Law, now it's by Faith. Did you see him trying to convert the Gentiles into Jews? Nope, he simply preached about Jesus and the way to Him.

Ok I know that was a long post, but there, I said it. That's my view on things between Catholics and Protestants, so where do I stand? Well in religion, I enjoy taking part in the ways of the Catholic church. But if someone were to ask me what denomination I am, I just tell them I'm a Child of God. And besides, Catholic means universal, so in a sense maybe I am Catholic? Either way that's fine with me.

[azaelia]

[quote]There are MANY people who are Catholic, yet aren't Saved. Infact I've seen more people Unsaved in the Catholic church than those in other denominations. [/quote]

We were all "saved" by the blood of Christ. It's what we do with our salvation that decides the state of our souls. Who are you to judge other people's souls?

[Anna]

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His Only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He decended into hell.
On the third day, He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
[b]He will come again to judge[/b] the living and the dead...

Only Jesus can judge who will be saved and who will not.

Those who make such determinations are basically judging others, something that they're totally not equipped to do, and a mark of pride. -_-

Pax Christi. <><

[mulls]

[quote]But if someone were to ask me what denomination I am, I just tell them I'm a Child of God.[/quote]




AMEN!

[Livin_the_MASS]

[quote]But if someone were to ask me what denomination I am, I just tell them I'm a Child of God.[/quote]

I would say Roman Catholic the one Jesus Christ founded!

[Archangel Raphael]

[quote name='azaelia' date='May 26 2004, 05:49 PM']
We were all "saved" by the blood of Christ. It's what we do with our salvation that decides the state of our souls. Who are you to judge other people's souls?[/quote]
That line you quoted me on, I'm telling you by experiance and what came out of their very mouths. One being my friend Brittaney for 13 years was in a Catholic school, and she herself would deny from her very mouth about Jesus. Infact she'd attack me every time I mentioned anything about Christ, until she got Saved that is. And she'll tell you herself she knew people there that were homosexual, and others even engaging in sexual conduct in bathrooms, some people she knows. And no, it's not by my works she's Saved, it's by the grace of God she is and through the working of the Holy Spirit. I was just being a yielding vessle those three years, and I still am. So it shows you can grow up in ANY church denomination, not only Catholic, and recite whatever you may recite in mass, yet you don't have to mean it from your heart. Words without meaning is nothing.

So when I speak the Apostles Creed or Nicene Creed (which I'm memorizing in Latin btw), I mean it from my heart. And yes, there are even many protestants that aren't Saved either, it's a sad fact. So no, I'm not just peppering the Catholics. And yes, we are Saved by the Blood.

To Anne: And your point? Oh I'm voice chatting with my friend Brittaney right now, she says, "What part on the Rosary are you on now?"

[Guest Brittaney]

[quote]I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His Only Son, Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He decended into hell.
On the third day, He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead...[/quote]OKay I have been reading this board for sometime now and I would just like to point out that when Justin speaks on the topic there is always a reply about out of topic areas. Yes the Aposals Creed that is nice and all yet what is your point? I would like to know are you prying the rosary for him.. if so what gifts are you using when you reach that bead?

Edited May 26, 2004 by Brittaney

[IcePrincessKRS]

The Apostles Creed isnt' the Rosary. Apparently those years of Catholic school didn't teach you much.

Justin, may I stress that her name is ANNA, with an A not an E (sorry, proper names is a pet peeve of mine, no offense intended).

[azaelia]

Attending a Catholic school, or any denominational school for that matter, does not make you Catholic or Protestant by default. My aunt went to a Baptist school, and she was born and raised Catholic, and remains a Catholic.

Edited May 26, 2004 by azaelia

[IcePrincessKRS]

Amen to that Azaelia. Thats pretty much what I was getting at. Plenty of people have attended Catholic schools who aren't Catholic, and going to those schools doesn't mean you know much about Catholicism at all! I recently had a conversation with a girl who'd gone to Catholic school all through grade school and jr. high, but was raised Methodist, and when the subject of certain Catholic teachings came up and I explained them to her she was floored, she said "No one EVER told me that!" Its just like the Apostles Creed not being the whole Rosary, yes its a part of the Rosary, and it is a statement of our beliefs, but quoting it hardly qualifies as "praying the Rosary."

[littleflower+JMJ]

we are not saved until we walk through those pearly white gates, and not a minute before.

Jesus saved us ALL on Good Friday.

it is now our turn to show our faith and works to Him each and every day till we die, with hope that we too can be with Him one day.

Pax.

+JMJ+

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Archangel Raphael' date='May 26 2004, 02:13 PM']

Catholics:  I do believe Catholics have more historical knowledge of the early Church and some mysteries known that other denominations don't.  But also, just like with everyone since we're all human, some Catholics can be biggots and think they're on the ultimate path to God's Will.  Any church, even the Catholic church, have problems, cause we're human no matter how much you wanna explain it away.  But what upsets me the most is hearing people speak more on trying to convert their friends and family to Catholicsizm (sorry for bad spelling) than trying to help eachother grow in the Lord despite what 'rule' system they choose to use to worship God.  There are MANY people who are Catholic, yet aren't Saved.  Infact I've seen more people Unsaved in the Catholic church than those in other denominations.  Now of course, the unsaved Catholics aren't really true Catholics, but what are the Catholics doing to change that?  I'm sure there are some who are ministering the Word to the unsaved, but from what I experianced, and in majority, they just go through the ritual and never have a true relationship with Christ.  And more food for thought: Jesus was a Jew, and if you wanna be very technical about it, we should all be Jews.  The Jewish religion came before the Catholic.  Jesus himself even followed Jewish law, and fullfilled it!  Therefore now you got the Messianic Jews, who of course believe in Christ like we do yet also still follow the Jewish holidays in addition to the Christian ones.  In all due respect, I think the Jews have more room to talk about conversion that the Catholics.  And also, didn't Paul say that our Salvation is by Faith, not law and works?  Before Christ it was by the Law, now it's by Faith.  Did you see him trying to convert the Gentiles into Jews?  Nope, he simply preached about Jesus and the way to Him.

Ok I know that was a long post, but there, I said it.  That's my view on things between Catholics and Protestants, so where do I stand?  Well in religion, I enjoy taking part in the ways of the Catholic church.  But if someone were to ask me what denomination I am, I just tell them I'm a Child of God.  And besides, Catholic means universal, so in a sense maybe I am Catholic?  Either way that's fine with me. [/quote]


Several points:

Benny Hinn is not Catholic in any way. No one said non-CAtholics could not receive grace from God. They just can't recieve the fullness outside the Church.

The Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ. The history of Christianity is the history of the Catholic church. All Catholics are called to evangelize as Jesus commanded: "Go Ye therefore and preach to all nations and baptise them..."
Baptism justifies us before God, admits us to the Body of Christ, and gives us the possibility of salvation. Baptism gives you are relationship with Jesus Christ by virtue of the grace it pour into your soul. Free will means you have the choice to cooperate with that Grace or walk away.
We are saved by Grace. Read James who says Faith without works is dead.

Edited May 26, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[Quietfire]

Justin,
One thing. Although you made some decent points here as far as Catholics and Protestants (and Im still more prot than cath right now)
Yeah, its real easy to make comments on how some Catholics arent Catholics in the sense that they dont 'practice' thier faith.
On the other hand though, it belittles us all (human) to continue with this 'this one doesnt and this one does' carp.
We are all connected, and thats the catch. Whether we like it or not. Some may not think so, but after doing some reading on F. Sheed, alot of things are falling into place for me.
You, brother...are my brother.

I'm not saying that your post is wrong...but it sounds more angry than it needs to be.

We are all so far from perfect that criticism only pushes up farther away from each other than need.
Read F. Sheed if ya get the chance.
I'm starting to understand why Jesus preferred sinners.

Way cool.


Peace.
Dutchess QF (just this week)

[Archangel Raphael]

Alright, in all honesty I'm wondering if some of us are getting confused on what they determine as 'works' here for God. In all respect, cmotherofpirl, or anyone else here, what do you interpret for 'works'? Just an honest question.