Jesus' Creed

[ayed]

In the Name of Allah , the Most Gracious , the Most merciful

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Q-1:What is Jesus’s creed(Allah’s peace be upon him)?
Q-2:In what is Jesus used to believing ?

Thank you in advance.

Edited May 17, 2004 by ayed

[Dave]

[quote name='ayed' date='May 17 2004, 11:22 AM'] Q-1:What is Jesus’s creed(Allah’s peace be upon him)?
Q-2:In what is Jesus used to believing ?

Thank you in advance. [/quote]
Welcome back, Ayed!

Unfortunately, I'm a moron, and so I'm not sure I understand your questions. But I might understand and not realize it.

Anyway, Jesus is a Jew, and He, along with the Church he founded, namely, the Catholic Church, is the fulfillment of Judaism. And we can't really say that Jesus BELIEVES anything, as that implies an element of uncertainty. Rather, since He's God as well as man, He KNOWS all things -- no need to believe when one already knows.

[phatcatholic]

i would say that every word from the mouth of Jesus is a testament to what he "believes." he beleives that:

--he and the Father are one
--that love is selfless and unconditional
--that he has fulfilled the old law
--that the traditions of men neglect the spirit of God's law
--that he must die and ascend to the father
--that Peter is the foundation of his church on earth
--that only he can judge
--that he is the bread of life

.....ironically, the same beliefs that Catholics hold!

essentially, would not the entire New Testament be his creed? afterall the NT includes both what Jesus professes and the interpretation of His message by his apostles.

anyway, that's my 0.02

[Crusader_4]

My simple answer for that would be the apostles Creed unlike in Islam where Mohamaad (please excuse if i spelt wrong) actually wrote down in Christianity Jesus did not...therfore we must not rely on the men that knew him best and their Tradition (hence capital "T") So i would say taht the apostles Creed if you are wondering what Jesus believed would be the basics and the Nicene Creed would get into more detail. Now maybe i am totally off bat with your question but that is how i interperted it.

[ayed]

In the Name of Allah , the Most Gracious , the Most merciful


I thank our Moderator who has pinned my topic.
I thank you , Mr.Dave, Phatcatholic and Crusader_4 for your answers.

I am still waiting for convincing religious answer .That is, scientific responses.
I am still in fertile Forum to have my questions answered.

thank you again
your phatmass mate
Ayed

[phatcatholic]

scientific answers for what Jesus believes?

i don't think i understand what you are asking for, please clarify

[ayed]

My questions is clear:

What is Jesus' creed?
I ask everyone to convey my question to any priest to be answered.

Thank you

[Aloysius]

Jesus didn't write anything down to leave us.

Jesus believed all He said in the Bible. He believed in God as His Personal Father (Abba, [i]St Mark 14:36), [/i]He believed He was the bread of life come down from heaven and that men must eat His flesh and drink His blood to inherit eternal life[i](St John 6:51) [/i]He believed that the Holy Spirit would reveal things to His Apostles [i](St. John 16:13)[/i] and especially that Simon Peter and His successors could say things that flesh and blood had not revealed to them, but His Father in Heaven [i](St. Matthew 16:18)[/i]

[b]In short, He believed He came down from heaven [i](St. John 6:51)[/i] sent by His Father, He believed He was God teaching amoung the people [i](St. John 6:35)[/i] and that the Spirit of Truth; the Spirit of God ; would stay with His Church and teach it all things He wished it to know[i](St. John 16:13).[/i][/b]

[ayed]

Thank you all for your responses .
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Hi, Mr.Aloyisus !Where have you been , man?I have really missed you , pal!
I hope that you are not upset by me?

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Q-1.Does Jesus(Allah’s peace be upon him)believe in Trinity ?
Q-2.What was the Virgin Mary’creed(Allah’s peace be upon her)?What would she believe in?
Q-3.Did the Virgin Mary worship her son , Jesus?
Q-4.Did the Virgin Mary believe in Trinity?
Q-5.Did Jesus created his mother, the Virgin Mary?
Q-6.Did Mary state that her son, Jesus , is a God?

Do not forget to call me “a heretic”

I am very happy to read you answers sooner.
Kindly, back up your answers with some verses of your holy books.
Thank you

With my best regards.
Ayed

[Quietfire]

sorry ayed.
I couldnt call you a heretic.
If you ask your questions with charity, as you are doing, then neither would anyone else.
To inquire means to learn......the truth.

[Dave]

[quote name='ayed' date='May 19 2004, 01:17 PM'] Q-1.Does Jesus(Allah’s peace be upon him)believe in Trinity ?
Q-2.What was the Virgin Mary’creed(Allah’s peace be upon her)?What would she believe in?
Q-3.Did the Virgin Mary worship her son , Jesus?
Q-4.Did the Virgin Mary believe in Trinity?
Q-5.Did Jesus created his mother, the Virgin Mary?
Q-6.Did Mary state that her son, Jesus , is a God?

Do not forget to call me “a heretic”

I am very happy to read you answers sooner.
Kindly, back up your answers with some verses of your holy books.
Thank you

With my best regards.
Ayed [/quote]
To answer your questions:

1. Not only does Jesus believe in the Trinity, but He's part of it -- the second Person of the Trinity, to be exact.
2. The Virgin Mary was raised a Jew, but she became a Christian when she became the Mother of Jesus. After all, Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.
3. Yes, the Virgin Mary worshiped her Son, Jesus.
4. Yes, the Virgin Mary believed in the Trinity.
5. Yes, Jesus created Mary together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, just like all 3 persons of the Trinity created everything and everybody.
6. Mary surely knew her Son is God, but there's no place in the Bible where she explicitly says so.

I'm sorry, Ayed, but I can't very well back up these answers with quotes from the Bible, as none of these facts are explicitly stated in it.

[Aloysius]

Ayed, i'm glad to see you. No i am not upset by you. You are fairly charitable and i enjoy discussing things with you.


[b]1[/b] Jesus believed in the Trinity. This is of course testified by those who were taught by Him. The one called His "beloved disciple," St. John, who was close to Him all throughout his ministry, says in his teaching [QUOTE]And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.[QUOTE][i] 1 St. John 5:7[/i]

[b]2[/b] Mary held in her heart and contemplated all things that occured to her from the moment Gabriel told her about Jesus
[QUOTE]But Mary kept all these things, pondering them in her heart. [/QUOTE] [i]St. Luke 2:19[/i] Therefore, what can we see from only our Scriptures she believed Read the Gospel of St. Luke Chapters 1 and 2, and take note of what Gabriel said to her, and take note of her Magnificat
[QUOTE]And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid: for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49 Because he that is mighty hath done great things to me: and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him. 51 He hath shewed might in his arm: he hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seat and hath exalted the humble. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things: and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54 He hath received Israel his servant, being mindful of his mercy. 55 As he spoke to our fathers: to Abraham and to his seed for ever. [/QUOTE]
[i]St. Luke 1:46-55[/i]
She believed that in Her son all things written in the Old Testament had been fulfilled. She believed that her soul was special (sinless) and magnified the Lord's mercy and salvation to humanity especially through her son, yet she was very humble about that. She clearly believes Her Son is to save all people from their sins.

taking into account [i]St. Luke 2:19[/i] she probably believed what St. Elizabeth said about her: calling her the Mother of the Lord, the Mother of God [i]St. Luke 1:43[/i]

anyway, yes she worshipped her son. She took into account what the Angel had said to her about her, held it in her heart, and thus believed Jesus was God. And then, how could such a pious soul as Mary NOT worship the Lord of the Universe?

[b]3/4/6. [/b] she is told that her son is God by the Messenger of God, St. Gabriel

[QUOTE]Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb and shalt bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great and shall be called [b]the Son of the Most High.[/b] And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father: and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. 33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.[/QUOTE] St. Luke 1:31-33

[b]5[/b][QUOTE]In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3[u] All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made[/u]. [/QUOTE] [i]St. John 1:1-3[/i]

yep, Jesus, the Word made flesh, made everything and He made His mother. Because He made His own mother, He was able to make Her immaculate and keep her free from all sin.

Anyway, welcome back to PhatMass. I enjoy talking to you.

Pax Amorque Christi
Peace and Love of Christ

[Dave]

Oops, I guess there ARE quotes from our holy books after all! I just didn't think hard enough. Anyone wanna bop me upside the head?

[ayed]

In the name of Allah , the Most gracious , the Most merciful

Thank you all .


I would like to thank Allah Who has guided us to discuss these issues , though , long distance separating us .My questions are always serious.

Thanks and praise be to Allah .I thank you because you have spent much of your own familial times to answer my questions.I really appreciate anyone who just even read our topic.I thank those who drove to a nearest priess or to the Church for answering my questions .

Before I comment on your responses and wrap up the topic ,I would just ask the final question.

Q---What was the creed of Adam , of Eve, of Solomon , of David and of Moses .

Thank you in advance.

[Dave]

Solomon, David, and Moses were all Jews in belief and practice. As for Adam and Eve, well, the Jewish faith hadn't exactly come into existence at the time, at least not in its full form. But I guess you could call them Jews, in a way.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Dave' date='May 19 2004, 07:16 PM'] Oops, I guess there ARE quotes from our holy books after all! I just didn't think hard enough. Anyone wanna bop me upside the head? [/quote]

[Aloysius]

Adam and Eve comprehended God to the fullest extent a man is able to comrehend Him. They were sinless and pure and were able to stand in God's presence. Therefore, we would believe that they believed just what we all now believe. There is no concrete evidence one way or the other in the Scriptures as to what they believed, but the Scriptures indicate they knew Him personally. Thus, as Christians we believe that Adam and Eve knew of the Trinity before they fell away from Him. Now, Adam and Eve have no clear written record of course, and they have no mention of belief. In those times there was no need for eyes of faith, for they could see with regular eyes.


Moses believed all the things written in the first five books of the Old Testament. he believed God had chosen him to free Israel from slavery. He believed what was revealed to him by God that God is He who is.

[quote][i]Exodus 3:14-15[/i]God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you': this is my name for ever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations. [/quote]

[quote]Say therefore to the people of Israel, 'I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great acts of judgment, [/quote] [i]Exodus 6:8[/i]
He believed in redemption, and that Israel was God's chosen people
[quote]and I will take you for my people, and I will be your God; and you shall know that I am the LORD your God, who has brought you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. [/quote] [i]Exodus 6:7[/i]
He believed in the promised land
[quote]And I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; I will give it to you for a possession. I am the LORD.'" [/quote] [i]Exodus 6:8[/i]

He believed in the Ten Commandments and the Law as the Moral Code of God
[quote][i]Exodus 20:1-17[/i] [b]1[/b]1 And the Lord spoke all these words: 2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me: 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 [b]2[/b]Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain. 8 [b]3[/b]Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. 10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day: therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it.

[b]4[/b]12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayst be long lived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee. 13 [b]5[/b]Thou shalt not kill. 14 [b]6[/b]Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 [b]7[/b]Thou shalt not steal. 16 [b]8[/b]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 [b]9[/b]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house; neither shalt thou desire his wife,[b]10[/b] nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.

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He believed in God's love for His people, and that God would not abandon them, and that He would lead them into paradise. He trusted in God that He would perform many miracles and that

He believed that God one day would lift up another prophet like him but better, more important:
[quote]The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him. [/quote][i]Deuteronomy 18[/i]

Then we see Moses come back in the New Testament
Moses was there to see Jesus when He was transfigured, when His body was prepared to undergo the final sacrifice to save all from their sins. [i]St. Matthew 17:3[/i] Therefore, we know that after Moses died he came into a greater undesrtanding of who God was while he was in the abode of the dead, sheol, and the bosom of Abraham. and he learned of the Trinity and the plan of salvation for all mankind when he spoke to Jesus as Jesus was transfigured.

Edited May 20, 2004 by Aloysius

[Aloysius]

David trusted in God and believed that he was called by God to be king of Israel.

the last words of David speak as to the nature of the Psalms which he wrote
[quote]Now these are David’s last words. David the son of Isai said: The man to whom it was appointed concerning the Christ of the God of Jacob, the excellent psalmist of Israel said: The spirit of the Lord hath spoken by me and his word by my tongue. [/quote]
[i]2 Samuel 23:1-2[/i]
So through the psalms will we find David's "creed" so to speak, his experiences and beliefs.

[i]Psalm 110[/i] David Prophesied that a descendent of his would come who he considers his Lord.
[quote]1   The Lord said to my Lord: Sit thou at my right hand: Until I make thy enemies thy footstool. 2  The Lord will send forth the sceptre of thy power out of Sion: rule thou in the midst of thy enemies. 3  With thee is the principality in the day of thy strength: in the brightness of the saints: from the womb before the day star I begot thee. 4  The Lord hath sworn, and he will not repent: Thou art a priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech.

5  The Lord at thy right hand hath broken kings in the day of his wrath. 6 He shall judge among nations, he shall fill ruins: he shall crush the heads in the land of many. 7  He shall drink of the torrent in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
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So he believed that one would come after him in his lineage whom he would call Lord and who would be pierced, hands and feet [i]Psalm 22:16[/i], for the sake of the Lord. He believed God would establish the Davidic Kingdom forever on earth [i]Psalm 89:3-4[/i] and that this descendent of his who was his Lord and who was begotten before the day of the star (the creation of all things, and of time)
[i]Psalm 110[/i] would be the prophet who Moses prophesied about, would be greater than himself, and would rule over the New Davidic Kingdom (which Christians believe is the Church and more fully Heaven)

He also of course believed in all that Moses believed, about the law and all that was written in the first five books of the Bible. But he very much believed a messiah would come from his lineage who was much greater than him and who existed even before the creation of the world.

Edited May 20, 2004 by Aloysius

[MC Just]

Ayed, peace be with you. Have you ever heard of "Nation of Islam"? They believe Islam stands for "I Self Lord and Master" Allah is "Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm Head, basically saying man is God (The black man in their case).

[musturde]

Hey Ayed, enti Bit Tahka Arabe? Ana Lebneni ooh shoo enti? Sorry izza mah tahket neeh, munneh cteer neeh al arabe.
Alla Mahyuck.