Tridentine Carmels

[DaughterOfMary]

[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1344818219' post='2466639']
When I first started discerning, I thought I was 100% certain that I was called to be a Carmelite. Then, I fell in love with the Franciscans. Then the Dominicans. I'm currently discerning with an order that is not part of any of those spiritualities.
They are very focused on the Eucharist and are Trinitarian.
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Yes I can see how it can happen because they're all so wonderful!!
All we can try and do is listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit and pray fervently!!

[OnlySunshine]

[quote name='DaughterOfMary' timestamp='1344821008' post='2466658']
Yes I can see how it can happen because they're all so wonderful!!
All we can try and do is listen to the prompting of the Holy Spirit and pray fervently!!
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The great thing about the order I am discerning (if I do enter, God-willing) is that I don't have to pick just one. The Sisters allow each Sister to practice her favorite devotions within reason. They are a very balanced order with contemplative prayer and active apostolate. Hopefully, I'll be able to reveal the order soon. I'm waiting for the Provincial Superior to receive the results in the mail of my psychological evaluation and make the determination pertaining to whether or not I will be able to continue the aspirancy process. Please keep me in your prayers and I'll keep you in mine!

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='ACS67' timestamp='1344813609' post='2466604']
I have been told that the Carmelites in Des Plaines, IL are very orthodox. I believe they have the Latin Mass said there once a month.
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Yes

[quote name='DaughterOfMary' timestamp='1344800265' post='2466535']
Are the only legitimate Tridentine Carmels Valpareiso and Elysburg? Is there also one in Wisconson? What about the one in the UK?
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Just posting this again, but yes the three legitimate Carmels with the EF Mass exclusively are [b]Valparaiso, Elysburg[/b] & the new foundation in [b]Canyon, CA[/b]. The only international one I have heard of that comes close to that is the Carmel in Alencon, France (birthplace of St. Therese) that has the EF Mass every Sunday.


[quote name='DaughterOfMary' timestamp='1344800796' post='2466540']
I ask because I have gained a sudden pang of interest and desire. The Valpareiso and Elysburg Carmels are over their capacity with nuns and I have a feeling they will stop taking women soon. I cannot apply for a couple of more years due to a health concern.
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Both Valparaiso and Elysburg are still accepting vocations Valparaiso is over it's capacity, yes (even after sending nuns to CA) but they are still accepting new candidates. Elysburg has around 15 nuns and is definitely accepting more too .. actually I heard that on July 13th, Feast of St. Teresa of the Andes both Valparaiso and Elysburg received a new postulant.

About the new foundation in Canyon, CA I heard from the father (via email) of one of the Sisters there that they will not be accepting postulants for "some time" as they are still very much getting settled and still not 100% sure on building a monastery there. A recent post by him, [url="http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/#comment-4291"]http://cal-catholic....e/#comment-4291[/url]

[OnlySunshine]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344832810' post='2466735']
Yes


Just posting this again, but yes the three legitimate Carmels with the EF Mass exclusively are [b]Valparaiso, Elysburg[/b] & the new foundation in [b]Canyon, CA[/b]. The only international one I have heard of that comes close to that is the Carmel in Alencon, France (birthplace of St. Therese) that has the EF Mass every Sunday.



Both Valparaiso and Elysburg are still accepting vocations Valparaiso is over it's capacity, yes (even after sending nuns to CA) but they are still accepting new candidates. Elysburg has around 15 nuns and is definitely accepting more too .. actually I heard that on July 13th, Feast of St. Teresa of the Andes both Valparaiso and Elysburg received a new postulant.

About the new foundation in Canyon, CA I heard from the father (via email) of one of the Sisters there that they will not be accepting postulants for "some time" as they are still very much getting settled and still not 100% sure on building a monastery there. A recent post by him, [url="http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/#comment-4291"]http://cal-catholic....e/#comment-4291[/url]
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Wow, that new foundation sounds difficult for the nuns. I hope they can make it work. It can't be easy to transition into a life that is totally different than what you were accustomed to in the other monastery. California, with all its secularism, can definitely use more prayers, so I hope they are able to stay. They will be in my prayers.

[DaughterOfMary]

Just wanted to share a link where you can buy two apparently great documentaries about an inside look to the Carmelite life
http://www.monasterygreetings.com/prod_detail_list/Carmelite_Music_and_DVD

[DaughterOfMary]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344832810' post='2466735']

Yes


Just posting this again, but yes the three
legitimate Carmels with the EF Mass exclusively are [b]Valparaiso, Elysburg[/b] & the new foundation in [b]Canyon, CA[/b]. The only
international one I have heard of that comes close to that is the Carmel in Alencon, France
(birthplace of St. Therese) that has the EF Mass
every Sunday.
Both Valparaiso and Elysburg are still accepting vocations Valparaiso is over it's capacity, yes
(even after sending nuns to CA) but they are still accepting new candidates. Elysburg has around 15 nuns and is definitely accepting more
too .. actually I heard that on July 13th, Feast of St. Teresa of the Andes both Valparaiso and Elysburg received a new postulant.


About the new foundation in Canyon, CA I heard
from the father (via email) of one of the Sisters
there that they will not be accepting postulants
for "some time" as they are still very much getting settled and still not 100% sure on
building a monastery there. A recent post by him, [url="http://cal-
catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-
carmelite-house/#comment-4291"]http://cal-
catholic....e/#comment-4291[/url]
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Thanks for your advice I really appreciate it. I
will write a letter in the next few days. I don't know if it's too soon to write though considering
I'm not able to join till approximately at least 2
years. I don't know. The whole idea just gets me so excited though I can hardly contain myself
!!!!
Do you know if they have a no debt policy? I have a education debt but the Government stipulates that it's not required to be paid back until you earn over $46,000 per year.

Edited August 13, 2012 by DaughterOfMary

[DaughterOfMary]

And yes, the Carmelites in California are certainly doing it pretty tough at the moment. God bless them. Will keep them in my prayers.

[DaughterOfMary]

[quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1344825035' post='2466680']


The great thing about the order I am discerning (if I do enter, God-willing) is that I don't have to pick just one. The Sisters allow each Sister to
practice her favorite devotions within reason. They are a very balanced order with contemplative prayer and active apostolate. Hopefully, I'll be able to reveal the order soon. I'm waiting for the Provincial Superior to receive the results in the mail of my psychological
evaluation and make the determination pertaining to whether or not I will be able to continue the aspirancy process. Please keep me in your prayers and I'll keep you in mine!

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No problems! Of course I'll pray for you. May God bless you abundantly and reveal his plans for your life. +++

[EmilyAnn]

[quote name='DaughterOfMary' timestamp='1344855903' post='2466812']
Thanks for your advice I really appreciate it. I
will write a letter in the next few days. I don't know if it's too soon to write though considering
I'm not able to join till approximately at least 2
years. I don't know. The whole idea just gets me so excited though I can hardly contain myself
!!!!
Do you know if they have a no debt policy? I have a education debt but the Government stipulates that it's not required to be paid back until you earn over $46,000 per year.
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I don't know if it's the same in the US but in the UK our student loans are like that - you have to earn a certain amount before you have to pay it back - and communities here accept entrants with student loans because they'll obviously never make the earning amount.

Personally, I don't think it will hurt to get in contact with them, even if an entrance isn't going to be immediate. When I first contacted the community I'm discerning with I had a year and half before I would be able to enter, even now my potential entrance date isn't for another year at least. Even just investigating a community can be very helpful in discernment - as Mother Mistress told me, it can help bring your discernment from the abstract into the concrete.

[DaughterOfMary]

Thanks for the great advice EmilyAnn- it's so true !!

[Graciela]

I wonder why this new Carmel in the Oakland diocese does not move in to the empty Carmelite monastery vacated in Kensington when those few elderly nuns moved to Cristo Rey Carmel in San Francisco. Kensington Carmel was very traditional, so the set-up for a strictly cloistered observance is there already. The Kensington community was never large, so I am not sure if it would hold a full 21-nun community but it might be an option more consistent with their life than how the current place seems.

Just a few thoughts- perhaps they already considered and rejected this option.

[inperpetuity]

A friend of mine from our parish entered Elysburg on July 13th. Her name is "Sr. Rebecca". She was beaming with joy the day before she left. Please pray for her.

[OnlySunshine]

A former PMer entered there on December 12th, 2010. I cannot, for the life of me, remember her religious name, but her s/n here was [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/user/8828-in-the-arms-of-the-lord/"]In the Arms of the Lord[/url]. She and I were email buddies before she left and she was so sweet and humble. She had a beautiful spirit. This was the second community she was in close contact with and is currently a 2nd year novice.

ETA: her religious name might be something like Sr. Regina Marie. I can't remember...

Edited August 14, 2012 by MaterMisericordiae

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='inperpetuity' timestamp='1344897118' post='2467150']
A friend of mine from our parish entered Elysburg on July 13th. Her name is "Sr. Rebecca". She was beaming with joy the day before she left. Please pray for her.
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So wonderful!! Here's the girl who entered Valpariaso that day, [url="https://www.facebook.com/SamanthaGoesToCarmel"]https://www.facebook...thaGoesToCarmel[/url] (you don't have to have an account to see it I'm pretty sure, I can sign into a friend's :j)

I also recently found another entrance on there at Brooklyn [url="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=411643568879181&set=a.248058405237699.58938.184190628291144&type=1"]here[/url] & [url="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419949581381913&set=a.248058405237699.58938.184190628291144&type=1&permPage=1"]here[/url]

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Graciela' timestamp='1344894309' post='2467132']
I wonder why this new Carmel in the Oakland diocese does not move in to the empty Carmelite monastery vacated in Kensington when those few elderly nuns moved to Cristo Rey Carmel in San Francisco. Kensington Carmel was very traditional, so the set-up for a strictly cloistered observance is there already. The Kensington community was never large, so I am not sure if it would hold a full 21-nun community but it might be an option more consistent with their life than how the current place seems.

Just a few thoughts- perhaps they already considered and rejected this option.
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I am 99% sure they did. 1) They were planning on going to the Diocese of Oakland a few years ago but something fell through and then they were invited to Elysburg 2) One of their aims/hopes in their new foundations is to revive old Carmels (which is very much in the spirit of St. Maravillas of Jesus, who reclaimed some places special to the Order, like [url="http://www.pueblos-espana.org/castilla+y+leon/avila/el+convento+de+duruelo/Convento+de+Carmelitas+02/"]Duruelo[/url], where St. John of the Cross once lived) 3) A couple years ago, I emailed the people at this place, [url="http://laep.ced.berkeley.edu/blakegarden/"]http://laep.ced.berk...du/blakegarden/[/url] right next to the Kensington monastery .. and they told me the monastery is being cleaned out for a new Carmelite community to move in!

Who knows what happened regarding why they didn't go there, but I did hear from another source that the building is in ill repair. I wonder what will happen with it now.. Here's the most recent on it, [url="http://elcerrito.patch.com/articles/whats-up-with-the-kensington-monastery"]What's up with the Kensington monastery?[/url]

[Graciela]

I keep telling God that if I win the lotto, I will buy it and create a Carmel for some of us older women who haven't been able to find a Carmelite monastery home yet.

So far, God has not taken me up on this offer. And yes, I did buy a ticket!

[DaughterOfMary]

Graciela- hehe you're funny

[DaughterOfMary]

Chiquitunga- lol, you're so efficient at your research!!! Hehe!! And you seem to know the lowdown on all the Carmelite news.. It's razzle dazzle!!
Very impressive I must say

[Studiumecclesiae]

In France, we've got one Carmel with frequent Traditional Mass, it's the Carmel of Alençon (Therese's place of birth). The prioress is a very good carmelite nun. They've got the Traditional Latin Mass 3 or 4 times a week. They're doing what they can. They have full traditional habit, and the 1990 constitutions.

[img]http://media.notrefamille.com/cartes-postales-photos/cartes-postales-photos-Le-Carmel-ALENCON-61000-8932-20080217-1u6r4q7s2z2k7e7k5i0o.jpg-1-maxi.jpg[/img]


I'm not counting the several Carmels of the SSPX that have daily Traditional Latin Mass, of course. ( )

[img]http://diocesedeseez.cef.fr/IMG/rubon322.jpg[/img]

Edited August 15, 2012 by Studiumecclesiae

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='DaughterOfMary' timestamp='1345035777' post='2467912']
Chiquitunga- lol, you're so efficient at your research!!! Hehe!! And you seem to know the lowdown on all the Carmelite news.. It's razzle dazzle!!
Very impressive I must say
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LOLOL a priest once called me a little detective but I think it's more like (nerd) lol