OnlySunshine Posted August 21, 2012 Posted August 21, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345580196' post='2471387'] It'd be amesome if they wrapped up music practice 15 minutes before mass though. That, I think, could be a reasonable request. [/quote] I agree.
Vincent Vega Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 I find it strange that they'd be practicing in the church itself at all...where I work (which, granted, is not a Catholic church), the choir doesn't sing with the organ until we do so on Sunday morning. 100% of our rehearsal - barring very unusual circumstances - is done with the piano. As for the organist [i]practicing[/i] on Sunday mornings, yes, that is wholly unacceptable. Unless you mean that he was just running through things/warming up before mass began. That would be understandable. You wouldn't ask a runner to race without having stretched first.
franciscanheart Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345601386' post='2471666'] I find it strange that they'd be practicing in the church itself at all...where I work (which, granted, is not a Catholic church), the choir doesn't sing with the organ until we do so on Sunday morning. 100% of our rehearsal - barring very unusual circumstances - is done with the piano. As for the organist [i]practicing[/i] on Sunday mornings, yes, that is wholly unacceptable. Unless you mean that he was just running through things/warming up before mass began. That would be understandable. You wouldn't ask a runner to race without having stretched first. [/quote] Similar situation here. We only rehearse in the sanctuary with organ (outside of Sunday warm-up) under very special circumstances. When that happens, the Church has been reserved for that purpose, so we should not be bothering anyone. We are fortunate to have three organs at our church, two of which are fantastic for ensemble or choral performance. Even still, we also use a piano for practice a good portion of the time (i.e. sectionals, learning new music).
BG45 Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1345586420' post='2471489'] i'd rather listen to musicians practicing before Mass than listening to people talking. edit: i realize that people are still probably talking anyway, but i'd think the music probably helps drown them out a bit, eh? [/quote] That it most definitely does. [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345586737' post='2471492'] I would like to try one of those graveyard shifts sometime. It is not really an option at the moment for me, but not too far in the future I may be able to give it a try. [/quote] I used to do Adoration around 10 or 11pm when I had a perpetual Adoration chapel nearby, really was deathly silent. Well...usually. But I wasn't about to feel cranky about the noise if someone was sobbing to Jesus about a very real issue. [quote name='franciscanheart' timestamp='1345603464' post='2471699'] We are fortunate to have three organs at our church, two of which are fantastic for ensemble or choral performance. Even still, we also use a piano for practice a good portion of the time (i.e. sectionals, learning new music). [/quote] It's as if I heard a thousand jealous organists cry out as one...
franciscanheart Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1345604305' post='2471707'] It's as if I heard a thousand jealous organists cry out as one... [/quote]
cmotherofpirl Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345584483' post='2471454'] I would settle with them being skilled enough to play what the Church wants them to. [/quote] Then maybe the Church ought to cough up the money to get really good organists/choir directors/ handbell instructors. People can make double or triple the salary at any of the mainline protestant denominations compared to the Catholics.
Vincent Vega Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1345652672' post='2471988'] Then maybe the Church ought to cough up the money to get really good organists/choir directors/ handbell instructors. People can make double or triple the salary at any of the mainline protestant denominations compared to the Catholics. [/quote] Not to mention not having to play - and brace yourself, because this is brutal honesty that a lof of people here might take offense to - the music that is the butt of nearly every joke in the sacred music world. Catholic sacred music, that is to say, the stuff that you hear in most parishes (ie, the stuff that comes out of Breaking Bread, Gather, the missalette, etc) is openly ridiculed in organ circles.
Nihil Obstat Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1345652672' post='2471988'] Then maybe the Church ought to cough up the money to get really good organists/choir directors/ handbell instructors. People can make double or triple the salary at any of the mainline protestant denominations compared to the Catholics. [/quote] Yes, I think we need to re-prioritize where our money is going, and make more room for people skilled in true sacred music.
Nihil Obstat Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345675878' post='2472165'] Not to mention not having to play - and brace yourself, because this is brutal honesty that a lof of people here might take offense to - the music that is the butt of nearly every joke in the sacred music world. Catholic sacred music, that is to say, the stuff that you hear in most parishes (ie, the stuff that comes out of Breaking Bread, Gather, the missalette, etc) is openly ridiculed in organ circles. [/quote] It absolutely needs to be said. Our Liturgy deserves better, in my opinion.
carmenchristi Posted August 22, 2012 Posted August 22, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345675878' post='2472165'] Not to mention not having to play - and brace yourself, because this is brutal honesty that a lof of people here might take offense to - the music that is the butt of nearly every joke in the sacred music world. Catholic sacred music, that is to say, the stuff that you hear in most parishes (ie, the stuff that comes out of Breaking Bread, Gather, the missalette, etc) is openly ridiculed in organ circles. [/quote] I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition... As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church
Norseman82 Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1345508721' post='2470947'] I cringe every time I hear happy birthday sung during the announcements or even immediately following the procession. [/quote] This reminds me of a Dave Allen skit where the altar boys are lighting the altar candles while the organ is playing, and then the the choir director all of a sudden leads the congregation in singing "Happy Birthday" to the bishop on the altar. The bishop then proceeded to blow out the candles on the altar. One of his funniest skits ever.
Nihil Obstat Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192'] I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition... As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church [/quote] Fight the good fight. Some of us in the pews support you.
cmotherofpirl Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1345676061' post='2472168'] Yes, I think we need to re-prioritize where our money is going, and make more room for people skilled in true sacred music. [/quote] [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192'] I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition... As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church [/quote] Yes you probably will, unless you do like most catholic musicians and bite the bullet and work for love and pennies.
missionseeker Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192'] I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. The sad part is... those of us that actually WANT real Catholic [i]sacred[/i] music meet with a lot of opposition... As a student of sacred music, I often wonder what is the point of all this study and hard work.... I'll probably end up working in a protestant church [/quote] Hey that's my degree! I don't have a job. But I have hope of my own choir, a nice budget, and permission to use whatever music I desire. I'm only willing to compromise a little.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Is this a serious thread. If so why say clown mass. Ecclesiasticus "sarcasm is not good." And yes i voted on it, and am ashamed of that. This is my amendmant on the matter. Edited August 23, 2012 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Vincent Vega Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1345678897' post='2472192'] I don't think the stuff you are talking about is worthy of the term "Catholic sacred music" (of course you employed it loosely in this case)... Maybe "music often used at Mass" could be correct without offending anyone. [/quote] Like it or not, that's what it is. That's the state of modern Catholic sacred music: awful. It's rubbish, yes, but it's still what's used for liturgical music in 99% of the parishes in the US.
missionseeker Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 Doesnt make it sacred music. It "music for the liturgy". There is a difference. It's still crappy music though. the essence of cow
cmotherofpirl Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 This is the payscale at a Lutheran church in Ohio in 2011: [url="http://www.alcm.org/job/documents/Salaryguidelineschart2009_.pdf"]http://www.alcm.org/job/documents/Salaryguidelineschart2009_.pdf[/url]
Vincent Vega Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1345689252' post='2472351'] Doesnt make it sacred music. It "music for the liturgy". There is a difference. [/quote] What's the difference then?
cmotherofpirl Posted August 23, 2012 Posted August 23, 2012 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1345690920' post='2472367'] What's the difference then? [/quote] You had to ask
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