Which Communities Celebrate The Ef (at All) ?

[ToJesusMyHeart]

I love calling the Traditional Latin Mass the Extraordinary Form.

Because it is, indeed, extraordinary to behold and to pray.

[Pax_et bonum]

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YES! I love!
Where are these nuns located? I think I'm due for a visit.

Edit: And do they have a website?
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They are in Fort Wayne, Indiana. They don't have a website, but their [url="http://franciscanbrothersminor.com/FBM/Home_1.html"]Brothers[/url] do with a section for "[url="http://franciscanbrothersminor.com/FBM/Our_Sisters.html"]Our Sisters[/url]."

[ToJesusMyHeart]

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They are in Fort Wayne, Indiana. They don't have a website, but their [url="http://franciscanbrothersminor.com/FBM/Home_1.html"]Brothers[/url] do with a section for "[url="http://franciscanbrothersminor.com/FBM/Our_Sisters.html"]Our Sisters[/url]."
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Wonderful. Thank you. Do they have vocation retreats? Well..nevermind, I guess they don't anymore, since they're cloistered now!


So, maybe they have a guest house thingy?

[Chiquitunga]

Going back to bare-feet, the Capuchin Sisters of Nazareth seem to be this way when they are indoors (check out the videos, 1st one) I'm not sure if they ever have an EF Mass or attend one.. I would guess they would attend one though.

[url="http://www.capuchinsisters.com/"]http://www.capuchinsisters.com/[/url] & [url="http://www.cnsisters.com/"]http://www.cnsisters.com/[/url]

They also have a Discernment Retreat coming up! [url="http://www.capuchinsisters.com/2012/07/discernment-weekend/"]http://www.capuchins...rnment-weekend/[/url] which can be helpful wherever you're called

[NonNovi]

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I thought the Council called for churches to have a free standing altar? What I am meaning to say is that I thought the Council called for the priest to face the congregation in the Novus Ordo. I don't know where exactly I heard that though, so please ignore me if I am wrong.
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If I'm not mistaken the council didn't say anything about the altar or the direction of the priest, those things were changed after the council without any base in the documents about the liturgy. I do remember reading something about free standing altars as you said. But a free standing altar doesn't imply facing the people. The monks of Le Barroux in France also have a free standing altar, but still celebrate (the EF) ad orientem. I will look for some sources, but this is how I remember it from what I read about the subject.

Besides, the missal for the OF indicates at wich moments the priest has to turn around to the congregation. It wouldn't have these indications if the OF is assumed to be ad populum (to the people, let's improve everyones Latin here ).

Edited September 5, 2012 by NonNovi

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Oh, the joys of my heart would abound if all masses were said ad orientem, with Latin prayers heavily used, and reception of Holy Communion in the manner our holy father prefers it!

[ToJesusMyHeart]

Adding to my inquiry about EF celebrations, if you pholks know of any communities which celebrate the ordinary form, but have Communion rails in their chapel, and thus kneel for Holy Communion, I'd love to hear about such communities also.

[ACS67]

Novus Ordo simply means "new order" which this Mass was (is). It was a "new" rite as Pope Paul VI even states. Here is a document I found on EWTN website. The Apostolic Letters by Pope Paul VI on the Vatican website have not been translated into English it would seem so posting his motu proprio from 1969 would be of no use. However, this one is rather succinct and opens a window into the mind of those who changed the liturgy. My opinion: Their intentions were good but the results were disasterous. Just my opinion.

[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P6691126.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P6691126.HTM[/url]

And here is the document from Vatican II in regards to the liturgy. This document was primarily talking about the Tridentine Mass because that is the Mass that was still said in 1963. However, many argue that this document paved the way for the Novus Ordo. The changes had been in the works for some time.

I don't want to get into a deep discussion here as this conversation belongs in the Debate section of PM. But I will say this, anyone and everyone owes it to their Faith to attend a Tridentine Mass at least once and not just attend, read the richness of the prayers, the liturgy, the Canon. Much of that is stripped away in the Novus Ordo along with the richness of the priesthood and the Church is now paying the price.

[mantellata]

"Novus Ordo" makes it sound like a completely new Mass which it is not.

I also object to the fact that it is very often used pejoratively by people who would rather that the Church only use the Extraordinary form.... Or that there lacks beauty in the present form of the Mass.

I also stand by what I said as I stand by how our present Holy Father - a great lover of the Extraordinary Form - would like us to refer to it..... as can be seen here: [url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi_en.html"]http://www.vatican.v...vescovi_en.html[/url]

[size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]To quote specifically: [font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif] [color=#000000]In this regard, it must first be said that the Missal published by Paul VI and then republished in two subsequent editions by John Paul II, obviously is and continues to be the normal Form – the [/color][i]Forma ordinaria[/i][color=#000000] – of the Eucharistic Liturgy. The last version of the [/color][i]Missale Romanum[/i][color=#000000] prior to the Council, which was published with the authority of Pope John XXIII in 1962 and used during the Council, will now be able to be used as a [/color][i]Forma extraordinaria[/i][color=#000000] of the liturgical celebration. [/color][color=#000080][b]It is not appropriate[/b][/color][color=#000000][b] to speak of these two versions of the Roman Missal as if they were “two Rites”. Rather, it is a matter of a twofold use of one and the same rite.[/b][/color][/font][/font][/size]

Okay - back to the topic at hand - communities that "think and feel" with the Church and so use the Forma extrodinaria without discounting the present Forma Ordinaria.

Edited September 5, 2012 by mantellata

[ACS67]

It is a completely new Mass.

Now back to the topic at hand.

[Kayte Postle]

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1346853815' post='2478722']
Adding to my inquiry about EF celebrations, if you pholks know of any communities which celebrate the ordinary form, but have Communion rails in their chapel, and thus kneel for Holy Communion, I'd love to hear about such communities also.
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Children of Mary celebrate the OF mass (old school OF) and have a rail in their chapel. Several times a week they travel off site for mass but I'm not sure if it's for EF mass. They also sit/kneel on the floor for mass and prayer (the aspirants, postulants, and novices get a [url="http://www.willowcottage.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/stool-sat-on.jpg"]prayer stool [/url]to use).

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='Kayte Postle' timestamp='1346862809' post='2478777']
Children of Mary celebrate the OF mass (old school OF) and have a rail in their chapel. Several times a week they travel off site for mass but I'm not sure if it's for EF mass. They also sit/kneel on the floor for mass and prayer (the aspirants, postulants, and novices get a [url="http://www.willowcottage.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/stool-sat-on.jpg"]prayer stool[/url]to use).
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Ha, I just posted about them in the other thread, but I saw them at St. John Cantius in Chicago earlier this year They attended the 11:00 am Latin Ordinary Form (which has been pointed out here is extremely beautiful!!) and then had to get going (after some prayer) The EF is at 12:30.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

How many are in the Children of Mary community?

[Kayte Postle]

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How many are in the Children of Mary community?
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6. Four in vows, one novice, one postulant. I think they have two aspirants this year, and I am not sure if they are there yet or not. I'll call and ask Mother Margaret Mary to make sure.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

[quote name='Kayte Postle' timestamp='1346873177' post='2478860']
6. Four in vows, one novice, one postulant. I think they have two aspirants this year, and I am not sure if they are there yet or not. I'll call and ask Mother Margaret Mary to make sure.
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Wonderful!! May I ask, how do you know them?

[Kayte Postle]

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Wonderful!! May I ask, how do you know them?
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They live just down the street from my house, and I spent some time with them this summer as one of their "helping hands".

[OnlySunshine]

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1346853815' post='2478722']
Adding to my inquiry about EF celebrations, if you pholks know of any communities which celebrate the ordinary form, but have Communion rails in their chapel, and thus kneel for Holy Communion, I'd love to hear about such communities also.
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When the [url="http://www.carmelitedcj.org/"]Carmelite Sisters of the Divine Heart of Jesus[/url] (Central Province) don't have the EF Mass except for one Sunday a month, they still use the communion rails. They are very reverent in their practices. I've never seen a more beautiful group.

[ToJesusMyHeart]

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When the [url="http://www.carmelitedcj.org/"]Carmelite Sisters of the Divine Heart of Jesus[/url] (Central Province) don't have the EF Mass except for one Sunday a month, they still use the communion rails. They are very reverent in their practices. I've never seen a more beautiful group.
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Yes, they are beautiful! I have spent a few days with them on a Nun Run this past summer, and we celebrated the OF mass and Communion rails. I was delighted to see that!

[OnlySunshine]

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Yes, they are beautiful! I have spent a few days with them on a Nun Run this past summer, and we celebrated the OF mass and Communion rails. I was delighted to see that!
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I highly encourage spending a weekend with them on one of their vocation retreats. I was sick when I went but I loved what I was able to participate in. My friend is a 1st year novice with them -- Sr. Mary Elizabeth.

[OnlySunshine]

[quote name='ToJesusMyHeart' timestamp='1346853815' post='2478722']
Adding to my inquiry about EF celebrations, if you pholks know of any communities which celebrate the ordinary form, but have Communion rails in their chapel, and thus kneel for Holy Communion, I'd love to hear about such communities also.
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The Apostles of the Sacred Heart have [url="http://www.ascjus.org/galleries/6-19-10/images/IMGP5678_JPG.jpg"]communion rails in their chapel[/url] but only celebrate the OF.

The Carmelite Sisters of the Aged and Infirm have the [url="http://www.carmelitesisters.com/images/content-images/home/slideshow/2.jpg"]rails in their chapel[/url] (near the top of the attached picture).

The Marian Sisters of the Lincoln Diocese have [url="http://www.mariansisters.org/images/index/first_vows.jpg"]rails[/url].