KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350672273' post='2494929'] No he doesn't. Obama was on the far left when he was younger but as a President Obama has absolutely and unarguably not been a representative of the far left. Not even close. [/quote] Don't stop believe'n...
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350672273' post='2494929'] No he doesn't. Obama was on the far left when he was younger but as a President Obama has absolutely and unarguably not been a representative of the far left. Not even close. [/quote] Which left? He is doing a great job of representing the left that wishes to punish dissent (NDAA), the left that uses war to exert control, the left that partners with powerful "private" interests, and the left that panders to special interest groups by advocating the granting of government permission to undertake private contracts.
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350676541' post='2494964'] Which left? He is doing a great job of representing the left that wishes to punish dissent (NDAA), the left that uses war to exert control, the left that partners with powerful "private" interests, and the left that panders to special interest groups by advocating the granting of government permission to undertake private contracts. [/quote] That's not the far left. That's the Democratic party. Barak Obama is a mainstream liberal. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULu5amC8g4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULu5amC8g4[/url]
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681015' post='2495012'] That's not the far left. That's the Democratic party. Barak Obama is a mainstream liberal. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rULu5amC8g4[/media] [/quote] Obama is anything but liberal.
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1350674174' post='2494945'] Don't stop believe'n... [/quote] That wasn't a positive statement. I'd much rather have the young Barak Obama in office. But if you seriously think that Obama is on the far left then you are either ignorant of Obama's policies or ignorant of what constitutes the 'far left.' The end.
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681124' post='2495018'] That wasn't a positive statement. I'd much rather have the young Barak Obama in office. But if you seriously think that Obama is on the far left then you are either ignorant of Obama's policies or ignorant of what constitutes the 'far left.' The end. [/quote] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/CheHigh.jpg/250px-CheHigh.jpg[/img] You mean like this piece of poo (glad he's dead, wish it had happened a lot sooner)? Or are you using the empty term "left" for all things virtuous and giving, even if it involves sticking a gun in someone's ribs?
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681093' post='2495015'] Obama is anything but liberal. [/quote] Yes he is. In the context of American politics Obama is a centrist liberal. Is Obama a liberal in the political context of 19th century London? No. But context is everything. In 19th century London you wouldn't be a libertarian.
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681250' post='2495022'] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/CheHigh.jpg/250px-CheHigh.jpg[/img] You mean like this piece of poo (glad he's dead, wish it had happened a lot sooner)? Or are you using the empty term "left" for all things virtuous and giving, even if it involves sticking a gun in someone's ribs? [/quote] I'm using the term 'left' to describe the left. Che was on the left. That doesn't mean that most leftists would agree with every decision that Che made one he assumed power anymore than you agree with Misses accommodating opinions on fascism. But yes, Marxism is part of the far left. Obama is not. Edited October 19, 2012 by Hasan
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681280' post='2495024'] Yes he is. In the context of American politics Obama is a centrist liberal. Is Obama a liberal in the political context of 19th century London? No. But context is everything. In 19th century London you wouldn't be a libertarian. [/quote] But at least the word makes sense. Nothing in Obama's ethos supports liberty. Gay marriage? Oh, we will give you permission, citizen. Gun? Only the ones your owners determine you may have. Enumerated powers? Shut up, extremist; we do what we want.
Nihil Obstat Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681456' post='2495030'] But at least the word makes sense. Nothing in Obama's ethos supports liberty. Gay marriage? Oh, we will give you permission, citizen. Gun? Only the ones your owners determine you may have. Enumerated powers? Shut up, extremist; we do what we want. [/quote] [img]http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9fqjzTyW91qcikulo1_500.png[/img]
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681439' post='2495029'] I'm using the term 'left' to describe the left. Che was on the left. That doesn't mean that most leftists would agree with every decision that Che made one he assumed power anymore than you agree with Misses accommodating opinions on fascism. But yes, Marxism is part of the far left. Obama is not on the far left. [/quote] So you'd actually prefer a further left Obama? Are you intending on picking up a gun to aid Dear Leader, or will you hide when it comes time to take down threats like me, who reject the ownership of human beings?
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681456' post='2495030'] But at least the word makes sense. Nothing in Obama's ethos supports liberty. Gay marriage? Oh, we will give you permission, citizen. Gun? Only the ones your owners determine you may have. Enumerated powers? Shut up, extremist; we do what we want. [/quote] Ok? I'm not making a normative statement about the quality of today's liberals.
OnlySunshine Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1350681156' post='2495020'] This thread is an Obamanation. [/quote] [img]http://malbustechnologies.com/affilate_space/BS/BumperSticker-Anti-Obama013.jpg[/img]
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681587' post='2495038'] Ok? I'm not making a normative statement about the quality of today's liberals. [/quote] By which you mean authoritarians, right?
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681548' post='2495035'] So you'd actually prefer a further left Obama? Are you intending on picking up a gun to aid Dear Leader, or will you hide when it comes time to take down threats like me, who reject the ownership of human beings? [/quote] You don't reject the ownership of human beings. You're a capitalist. But no. There is a reason that Rosa Luxemburg and Emma Goldman spent much of their lives criticizing Lenin and Trotsky. I'm talking about the 'left' left. Which is a wonderful political tradition that was pretty well stomped out by the capitalists, fascists and the Stalinists. Of course, unlike Misses, Emma Goldman actually had the cajoles to criticize the soviet regime while living in the USSR (she was banished there by the US government). Misses was not banished out of the US. I guess he wasn't viewed as a threat. Not surprising given who bankrolled him. Edited October 19, 2012 by Hasan
4588686 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1350681650' post='2495040'] By which you mean authoritarians, right? [/quote] Yeah. To an extent.
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1350681850' post='2495046'] You don't reject the ownership of human beings. You're a capitalist. But no. There is a reason that Rosa Luxemburg and Emma Goldman spent much of their lives criticizing Lenin and Trotsky. Of course, unlike Misses, Emma Goldman actually had the cajoles to criticize the soviet regime while living in the USSR (she was banished there by the US government). Misses was not banished out of the US. I guess he wasn't viewed as a threat. Not surprising given who bankrolled him. [/quote] Why would Mises be banned from the US?
PhuturePriest Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 Why would a guy named Misses be [i]allowed [/i]in the United States? Talk about making us look bad...
Winchester Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 [quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1350682400' post='2495055'] Why would a guy named Misses be [i]allowed [/i]in the United States? Talk about making us look bad... [/quote] Anti-Semite.
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