Petition To Impeach Obama

[missionseeker]

There actually are plenty of reasons for his impeachment. Declaring war without the consent of congress, presided at the UN Security Council without consent from congress, there are those who argue that the Benghazi affair is treason, for starters.

[missionseeker]

Dp.

Edited November 16, 2012 by missionseeker

[missionseeker]

Lol. The petition is at 26k signatures. This could be amusing. I doubt the WH will respond. Lol.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1353033758' post='2511033']
From my understanding of the situation, the impeachment passed, and then it was decided that no further action would be taken. I forget the term for the second part. But he was definitely impeached.
[/quote][quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1353035178' post='2511058']
No, Clinton was impeached.

He also pardoned 140 people in his last hours as President including Bill Ayers the domestic terrorist who co-founded the weather underground a self described communist revolutionary group. Later he admitted in his book Fugitive Days to bombing the Pentagon, the New York City Police Department and the U.S. Capitol building. He was also a mentor too our Dear President Barack Obama. Liberals stick together.

ed
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Impeachment only refers to the process of the trial itself. Bill Clinton was found not guilty.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Impeachment_Role.htm#4

[Nihil Obstat]

Here is the info I am working with, all from Wiki. I remember researching it before because it confused me a lot.



Upon the passage of [url="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c105:H.RES.611:"]H. Res. 611[/url], Clinton was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment"]impeached[/url] on December 19, 1998, by the House of Representatives on grounds of perjury to a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_jury"]grand jury[/url] (by a 228–206 vote)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-ai-15"][15][/url][/sup] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice"]obstruction of justice[/url] (by a 221–212 vote).[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-aiii-16"][16][/url][/sup] Two other articles of impeachment failed – a second count of perjury in the Jones case (by a 205–229 vote)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-aii-17"][17][/url][/sup] and one accusing Clinton of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse_of_power"]abuse of power[/url] (by a 148–285 vote).[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-aiv-18"][18][/url][/sup] Four[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Republican_Party"]Republicans[/url] opposed all four articles, while five Democrats voted for three of them and one Democrat for all four. Clinton thus became the first elected U.S. president and the second U.S. president to be impeached, following [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson"]Andrew Johnson[/url] in 1868. President Johnson was elected vice president and inherited the presidency following the assassination of President [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_assassination"]Abraham Lincoln[/url] in 1865 and was therefore not officially elected president (also, articles of impeachment against [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon"]Richard Nixon[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate#Final_investigations_and_resignation"]were passed by the House Judiciary Committee[/url] in 1974, but Nixon resigned the Presidency before a vote by the full House).

[Then it went to the Senate]
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On February 9, after voting against a public deliberation on the verdict, the Senate began closed-door deliberations instead. On February 12, the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate"]Senate[/url] emerged from its closed deliberations and voted on the articles of impeachment. A [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority"]two-thirds majority[/url], 67 votes, would have been necessary to convict and remove the President from office. The perjury charge was defeated with 45 votes for conviction and 55 against.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-senvoteai-21"][21][/url][/sup](Senator [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter"]Arlen Specter[/url] of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania"]Pennsylvania[/url] voted "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven"]not proven[/url],"[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-arlen-22"][22][/url][/sup] which was considered by the Chief Justice Rehnquist as a vote of "not guilty.") The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstruction_of_justice"]obstruction of justice[/url] charge was defeated with 50 for conviction and 50 against.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton#cite_note-senvoteaii-23"][color=#0645AD][background=initial][[/background][/color][color=#0645ad]23[/color][color=#0645AD][background=initial]][/background][/color][/url][/sup]



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So the way that I interpret all this is that he was definitely impeached, but not convicted by the Senate.

From the actual article on impeachment:


[b]Impeachment in the United States[/b] is an expressed power of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress"]legislature[/url] that allows for formal charges against a civil officer of government for crimes committed in office. The actual trial on those charges, and subsequent removal of an official on[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction"]conviction[/url] on those charges, is separate from the act of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment"]impeachment[/url] itself.

Impeachment is analogous to [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment"]indictment[/url] in regular court proceedings, while trial by the other house is analogous to the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial"]trial[/url] before [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge"]judge[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury"]jury[/url] in regular courts. Typically, the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_house"]lower house[/url] of the legislature will impeach the official and the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_house"]upper house[/url] will conduct the trial.
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Two U.S. Presidents have been impeached by the House of Representatives but acquitted at the trials held by the Senate: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson"]Andrew Johnson[/url]([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson"]trial[/url]) and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton"]Bill Clinton[/url] ([url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton"]trial[/url]). The House Judiciary Committee voted on Articles of Impeachment for President [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon"]Richard Nixon[/url], but he resigned before the full House of Representatives could vote on any articles. Since the entire House did not vote, Nixon was never impeached.



So if anything there is wrong, or if I'm misinterpreting it, please do let me know.

[Vincent Vega]

Yes, that's all correct. He was taken to trial, but acquitted.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1353045147' post='2511152']
Yes, that's all correct. He was taken to trial, but acquitted.
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But the information in there seems to imply to me that if the articles pass Congress, then we officially say that he was impeached. Just that he was impeached but not convicted. Is that incorrect?

[missionseeker]

Congress has to pass a bill to impeach him. Once that's passed, he is impeached. Then there is a trial to judge whether he is guilty of the charges for which he was impeached.


Edit: wow. Grammar.

Edited November 16, 2012 by missionseeker

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1353047141' post='2511162']
Congress has to pass a bill to impeach him. Once that's passed, he is impeached. Then there is a trial to judge whether he is guilty of the charges for which he was impeached.


Edit: wow. Grammar.
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That is more or less how I was trying to understand it.

[homeschoolmom]

Mmmm... Peaches....

[Selah]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1353066162' post='2511187']
Mmmm... Peaches....
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I'm allergic to them

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Selah' timestamp='1353067648' post='2511192']


I'm allergic to them
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Me too.

[Aloysius]

impeachment is basically the equivalent of indictment.

I wonder how many more ridiculous petitions are going to start getting steam on the whitehouse site. I'm surprised there isn't a petition for Stephen Colbert to be named President of South Carolina yet.