Isn't More Gun Control The Obvious Solution? Yes, Yes It Is.

[Deb]

We do not need anymore gun laws. The ones we have are not enforced.  The problem is that our culture has been overcome by the culture of death. You cannot murder 55 million unborn children and maintain any respect for life of any type. We live in a culture that glorifies violence in our movies, books, games, tv shows. Everywhere. This isn't about guns. it is about the decline of humanity. When a society turns away from God, this is what we get.  Our leader is definitely a major proponet of the culture of death. Don't give up your guns. He has only just begun his reign of evil.

[Nihil Obstat]

The ones we have are not enforced. 

Which gun laws are on the books but not enforced?

[StMichael]

Only if you let me know where you got yours.

 

Better pick up the brand name aluminum foil for your hat—can't risk it with that cheap stuff!

 

[StMichael]

The reference to well armed militia was put into the 2nd amendment to allow states to maintain their own armies. At the time, the states were far more powerful than the Federal Government and in no way could the Federal government protect the states from indians, etc. The states cannot declare war, but this amendment gives them the power to have a state army, etc. to protect the state. 

 

The Federal government does not have the power to usurp weapon ownership by the citizenry. So can we own nukes, etc. ? The 2nd amendment would allow it, but this isn't about the want to have a tank or F-16 to match the DOD, this is about simple protection that we have a real right to, as we do not have a right to police protection.

 

In order for the Federal government to do so, it is pretty simple, put up an amendment, as outlined by the law of the land, whereby gun ownership rights are no longer allowed. Once that passes, done. Otherwise, our dear leader and his cohorts are in violation of the Constitution they swore to upheld, but at this point, who is counting from obamacare to spending to no budget to fighting without Congress' approval, we are in a post-Constitutional America.

 

 

I haven't read the thread through very carefully, forgive me in advance, but something really disturbing that keeps popping up in the rhetoric is this idea that an armed citizenry is no match for our government with its nukes and other goodies in its arsenal, and that this idea behind the second amendment is now really irrelevant and frankly, laughable.

 

And I do lol a bit at the idea some ragtag gang of rednecks with machine guns taking on even the most limited warfare that the US forces are capable of, Iament that the world has gotten to this point. The government has way too much power. That's just the reality of the situation, and I think we're cemented into this system until if and when something cataclysmic happens. Then again I tend to be a chicken little sometimes but, I don't know, I'm not a fan of increasingly centralized power. And all I can do is whine on the internet. There are certainly worse injustices in the world, but that doesn't make our losses of liberty OK.

 

blurgh. I'm really tired so that probably was a useless rant.

 

my bizad

 

 

[Fidei Defensor]

Only if you let me know where you got yours.

 

Wal-Mart.

[Papist]

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

[Jesus_lol]

^ that link has been going around reddit for a little while, it is excellent, and really shows well what Ive been trying to get across about the issue regarding "assault Weapons"

[4588686]

The AR-15 is really no different from any other rifle except for aesthetics.  But people might need it because race riots occurred in LA twenty years ago.  Although it's not clear why people need the AR15 specifically since it's absolutely no different from any other rifle asides from aesthetics.  Maybe because it can fire more rounds?  That can't be the case because high capacity magazines really are no big deal since anyone can change lower capacity magazines in seconds.  So we desperately need AR15s in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population or race riots but it's not clear why we need them since they're basically a scary looking revolver.  

[Jesus_lol]

How about a clearly defined reason why the AR should be singled out and banned or restricted, over all those other guns?

 

Last I checked, you need a reason to take something away, the onus is not on us to prove that it is good or necessary, it is on you to show exactly why it isnt.

 

But good luck coming up with a good reason that doesnt immediately ban the vast majority of guns in the USA, making the USA's gun laws far stricter than canada and thus utterly fails to pass.

[KnightofChrist]

in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population

Because that, of course has never repeatedly happened before, republics and democratic governments have never ever fallen into dictatorship and totalitarianism. The people should blindly trust government and allow it to make them completely defenseless and unprepared for the rise of a dictator or authoritarian government. Republics and democratic governments last forever and the people have never ever had to fight for their right to be free, nor will they ever. Blind trust is all we need, the government will always protect our rights.

[eagle_eye222001]

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

 

This.

[ardillacid]

How about a clearly defined reason why the AR should be singled out and banned or restricted, over all those other guns?

 

Last I checked, you need a reason to take something away, the onus is not on us to prove that it is good or necessary, it is on you to show exactly why it isnt.

 

But good luck coming up with a good reason that doesnt immediately ban the vast majority of guns in the USA, making the USA's gun laws far stricter than canada and thus utterly fails to pass.

 

Biden claims that no one has a right to an automatic, which would ban the vast majority of guns. 

[Nihil Obstat]

Biden claims that no one has a right to an automatic, which would ban the vast majority of guns. 

Automatic, or semi-automatic? Because the vast majority of guns in civilian hands are semi-automatic.

 

He is wrong either way, but it is a relevant distinction.

[Socrates]

The AR-15 is really no different from any other rifle except for aesthetics.  But people might need it because race riots occurred in LA twenty years ago.  Although it's not clear why people need the AR15 specifically since it's absolutely no different from any other rifle asides from aesthetics.  Maybe because it can fire more rounds?  That can't be the case because high capacity magazines really are no big deal since anyone can change lower capacity magazines in seconds.  So we desperately need AR15s in the event that the elected government decides to go to war with its population or race riots but it's not clear why we need them since they're basically a scary looking revolver.  

 

So, the government can simply ban the people from owning and bearing whatever type of arms it wants to, unless it can be proven that the particular model of weapon is "desperately needed"?

 

Goodbye limited constitutional government.  Hello all-powerful nanny-state.

[Winchester]

So, the government can simply ban the people from owning and bearing whatever type of arms it wants to, unless it can be proven that the particular model of weapon is "desperately needed"?
 
Goodbye limited constitutional government.  Hello all-powerful nanny-state.

Yeah. That's the idea. You are a subject. The Federal government, a creature of the people, is now the master. How that work?

[ardillacid]

Automatic, or semi-automatic? Because the vast majority of guns in civilian hands are semi-automatic.

 

He is wrong either way, but it is a relevant distinction.

 

Is another round chambered after firing? It's an automatic. 

[Nihil Obstat]

Is another round chambered after firing? It's an automatic. 

 

"A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the weapon's firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber."

 

"An automatic firearm is a firearm that will continue to fire so long as the trigger is pressed and there is ammunition in the magazine. While both "semi automatic" and "fully automatic" weapons are "automatic" in technical sense that the firearm automatically cycles between rounds with each trigger pull, under conventional usage a merely semi-automatic firearm is not correctly referred to an "automatic weapon" or an "automatic firearm". The terms "automatic weapon" and "automatic firearm" are conventionally reserved to describe fully automatic firearms. Confusion can be avoided by this convention."

 

Again, were you talking about fully automatic or semi-automatic firearms? 

[ardillacid]

both "semi automatic" and "fully automatic" weapons are "automatic" in technical sense that the firearm automatically cycles between rounds with each trigger pull

 

thanks!

[Nihil Obstat]

Everybody here knows the difference between automatic and semi-automatic firearms. Which were you talking about before?

[ardillacid]

I wasn't talking about either. The VP was. He believes that a double barrel shotgun is all that is necessary for self-defense. Which term do you think he is referring to when he talks about automatics?