morostheos Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 that's the spirit dusty! Protestants unite with Catholics! woohoo! (that wouldn't help to defeat phatmass though)
Anna Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='P3chrmd' date='May 26 2004, 01:26 AM'] I just love being a part of the ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT JESUS ESTABLISHED! It makes you feel good don't it fellow catholic...as for you mulls....feel bad VERY BAD that you are a part of a church created because one man (MARTIN LUTHER ) didn't like Indulgences or Salvation with works! WOW THATS SAD...that we have this big seperation just because of one man...one ugly man might I add...have you seen drawings of him...quite plump he was GOD BLESS ALL GODS CHILDREN STILL LOVE MY PROTESTANT FRIENDS AND FAMILY In Christ through Mary, Brandon V. [/quote] I must agree with Brandon. Catholicism is a gift from Christ Himself to His people. Martin Luther ruined that gift for thousands upon thousands of people who now only recieve partial truths about Jesus. though they ardently love what they know of Him. Would that they would all have the benefit of His Sacraments! Would that they would come to know and love His Mother, eat His Body, drink His Blood, share in the glories of the martyrs and the lives of the saints! Darn that Martin Looser...errr Luther. P. S. Mulls can check out, but he can never leave. Welcome to the Hotel Phatmass!!!
mulls Posted May 26, 2004 Author Posted May 26, 2004 eh forget unity, i'll just plow through the steel curtain myself ike UCONN plowed through everyone to win the championships! HA!
Brother Adam Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 Anna, Had the Church leadership never gone curropt, chances are, Luther never would have lifted a finger in protest. I suggest "Roots of the Reformation" by Karl Adam (Catholic Scholar). It's less than 100 pages.
the lumberjack Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='May 26 2004, 10:43 AM'] Anna, Had the Church leadership never gone curropt, chances are, Luther never would have lifted a finger in protest. I suggest "Roots of the Reformation" by Karl Adam (Catholic Scholar). It's less than 100 pages. [/quote] thank you brother Adam. I pray that you rise to the upper echelons of the Catholic Church and bring some insight and perspective... God bless.
Jake Huether Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 10:45 AM'] thank you brother Adam. I pray that you rise to the upper echelons of the Catholic Church and bring some insight and perspective... God bless. [/quote] I must note, he did not say the Church went corrupt. He said the Church leadership did. And the leadership is still corrupt, and it will be until the leadership stops being human. But the Holy Spirit leads these currupt peeps so that the Church teachings are not in error. Luther's big mistake was protesting the Church. He could have simply continued to protest the leader, while remaining faithful to the Church.
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 26, 2004 Posted May 26, 2004 haha this thread is funny. CATHOLICS UNITE It's founded by Jesus Christ, there is no movin this Rock
RandomProddy Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='PedroX' date='May 26 2004, 07:14 AM'] Brandon, While your enthusiasm for Holy Mother Church is admirable, go easy. We're all friends here, and Mulls is Phamily. He's been here a long time, and I for one would like to see him stay. peace... [/quote] ^^ probably the most hristian person here, I love this guy! [img]http://cjwinnit.hopto.org/pictures/smile.gif[/img]
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) [quote name='P3chrmd' date='May 25 2004, 11:26 PM'] I just love being a part of the ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT JESUS ESTABLISHED! It makes you feel good don't it fellow catholic...as for you mulls....feel bad VERY BAD that you are a part of a church created because one man (MARTIN LUTHER ) didn't like Indulgences or Salvation with works! WOW THATS SAD...that we have this big seperation just because of one man...one ugly man might I add...have you seen drawings of him...quite plump he was GOD BLESS ALL GODS CHILDREN STILL LOVE MY PROTESTANT FRIENDS AND FAMILY In Christ through Mary, Brandon V. [/quote] Buddy, you need to learn a bit more about your faith and how to express the truths of the faith a little more eloquently. We aren't saved by 'salvation by works' - we're saved by faith [b]working[/b] in love (Galatians 5:6) and sustained by hope (Hebrews 11:1). It's all one big continuum. The works aren't added from outside, they proceed forth from the Faith. We love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength, and [b]as a result[/b], we love our neighbor as ourselves. It is THIS faith - a living faith, a faith that works, that saves. Not "Faith + Works = Justification" The doctrine you offered a second ago is not Christianity, it is semi-pelagianism. Edited May 27, 2004 by ICTHUS
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]We love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength, and as a result, we love our neighbor as ourselves.[/quote] Ahhh yes we do love Our One True God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength. To love is it just a result or is it a commandment [quote][b]John 15:12-14 "This is my commandment: love one another as I love you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. Your are my friends IF you do what I command you."[/b][/quote] Big IF added by me. Pax Jason
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]Not "Faith + Works = Justification"[/quote] Are you saying Faith does not need works?
Dave Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 I hope not. Of course, works that don't come from our love for the Lord and are apart from our faith are hollow.
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]To love is it just a result or is it a commandment[/quote] It is a commandment - a commandment to which we are only granted obedience, through Faith. [quote]Big IF added by me.[/quote] I agree. I'm not saying anything contrary to what you did - I'm merely saying that the works aren't added as anything from 'outside' the saving Faith, but proceed from that Faith as the natural fruit thereof.
the lumberjack Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='May 27 2004, 07:56 AM'] Buddy, you need to learn a bit more about your faith and how to express the truths of the faith a little more eloquently. We aren't saved by 'salvation by works' - we're saved by faith [b]working[/b] in love (Galatians 5:6) and sustained by hope (Hebrews 11:1). It's all one big continuum. The works aren't added from outside, they proceed forth from the Faith. We love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength, and [b]as a result[/b], we love our neighbor as ourselves. It is THIS faith - a living faith, a faith that works, that saves. Not "Faith + Works = Justification" [/quote] Amen!
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) You basically just agreed to the teaching of the Catholic Church, LJ. At least, how *I* understand what she teaches. Notice I never denied that the works of faith in had some part to play in our salvation, I just emphatically affirmed that all of them came from God's grace in us, not from us properly. Edited May 27, 2004 by ICTHUS
the lumberjack Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 okay...so what are you saying? that I SHOULDN'T agree with you? too bad pal...I do. get over it already. God bless.
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 *envisions Lumberjack sticking his big toe in the Tiber River*
littleflower+JMJ Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='May 27 2004, 02:42 PM'] *envisions Lumberjack sticking his big toe in the Tiber River* [/quote] oh my!
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+May 27 2004, 02:43 PM'] oh my! [/quote] [i]Lions and Tigers and Bears[/i], Oh My?
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