Livin_the_MASS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]We love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength, and as a result, we love our neighbor as ourselves.[/quote] Ahhh yes we do love Our One True God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength. To love is it just a result or is it a commandment [quote][b]John 15:12-14 "This is my commandment: love one another as I love you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. Your are my friends IF you do what I command you."[/b][/quote] Big IF added by me. Pax Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livin_the_MASS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]Not "Faith + Works = Justification"[/quote] Are you saying Faith does not need works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I hope not. Of course, works that don't come from our love for the Lord and are apart from our faith are hollow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote]To love is it just a result or is it a commandment[/quote] It is a commandment - a commandment to which we are only granted obedience, through Faith. [quote]Big IF added by me.[/quote] I agree. I'm not saying anything contrary to what you did - I'm merely saying that the works aren't added as anything from 'outside' the saving Faith, but proceed from that Faith as the natural fruit thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='May 27 2004, 07:56 AM'] Buddy, you need to learn a bit more about your faith and how to express the truths of the faith a little more eloquently. We aren't saved by 'salvation by works' - we're saved by faith [b]working[/b] in love (Galatians 5:6) and sustained by hope (Hebrews 11:1). It's all one big continuum. The works aren't added from outside, they proceed forth from the Faith. We love the Lord our God with all our hearts, and all our minds, and all our souls, and all our strength, and [b]as a result[/b], we love our neighbor as ourselves. It is THIS faith - a living faith, a faith that works, that saves. Not "Faith + Works = Justification" [/quote] Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 (edited) You basically just agreed to the teaching of the Catholic Church, LJ. At least, how *I* understand what she teaches. Notice I never denied that the works of faith in had some part to play in our salvation, I just emphatically affirmed that all of them came from God's grace in us, not from us properly. Edited May 27, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 okay...so what are you saying? that I SHOULDN'T agree with you? too bad pal...I do. get over it already. God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 *envisions Lumberjack sticking his big toe in the Tiber River* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='May 27 2004, 02:42 PM'] *envisions Lumberjack sticking his big toe in the Tiber River* [/quote] oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+May 27 2004, 02:43 PM'] oh my! [/quote] [i]Lions and Tigers and Bears[/i], Oh My? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 A thought: if only one man (Luther) thought the things he did, where did all these Protestants come from? Other people must have agreed with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 this was supposed to be a FUNNY thread! now stop arguing and LAUGH darnit!! *throws gramma's homemade apple pie into lumberjack's face* HAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I wanted that pie! Banana cream is funnier anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 oh, i forgot to mention, it was *hot* now that's funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Poor lumberjack! *makes a Phantom of the Opera mask* there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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