Evangelicals Evangelizing What Exactly!?!

[the lumberjack]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='May 26 2004, 10:34 AM'] No, but all evangelicals were lumped in together. C'mon... not all evengelical Protestants believe in tongues and being baptized in the Holy Spirit... Many evangelicals, while wondering why anyone would want to be Catholic, also maintain that they are Christians (not that we need them to or anything)... but it's just as unfair to catagorize all evengelicals as saying that Catholics worship a cookie as it is for evangelicals to make that assertion... [/quote]
i very much like you...

[theculturewarrior]

In whatever we do, whether Catholic or protestant, we should seek to evangelize with love. Without love, you simply drive people away.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 11:43 AM']i very much like you... [/quote]
I just call 'em like I see 'em...

[amarkich]

I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless.

[url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url]

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless.

[url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote]
yes st. john vianney preached greatly on doing only what can be offered up for the greater glory of God.

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as for this thread, lets be nice.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. [/quote]
I'm not so sure you are correct. I believe (and no doubt will be POLITELY corrected if I'm wrong) that the Catholic Church recognizes as valid the baptisms of Protestants that are done in the Trinitarian form. Thus those baptized in this way have a place within the Catholic Church (whether they realize it or not). To say they aren't Christians (when the Church says they are) is not only the height of uncharitable, it is disobediant to the Church's teaching.

[Anna]

Those baptized in the Catholic Church, but fallen away, might also be labelled Christian, but they (like protestant Christians) don't enjoy in its fullness the benefits of the label.

Pax Christi. <><

[Katholikos]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 26 2004, 11:57 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless.

[url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote]
Some Protestant sects teach that the act of dancing is itself a sin. It is not permitted, no matter how it's done. Even attending a ballet performance is sinful. Some sects hold that card-playing is also a sin; it, too, is not permitted. And drinking alcohol in any form at any time is not allowed for any reason, ever. Some teach that women who wear pants or pearls violate "God's law." Anyone who commits such acts is regarded as a sinner. They believe that especially those bingo-playing Catholics with "loose morals" (they dance, play cards, drink wine in Church, the women wear pants and pearls, and violate other "commandments") are doomed to hell.

That was Anna's reference.

JMJ Likos

[Anna]

A soon-to-be Catholic couple here on phatmass (who shall remain nameless, ) encountered a bit of difficulty last year when planning their wedding. Their Baptist pastor was reluctant to marry them because they desired to dance at their own wedding reception.

I'm not talking pole dancing here! Just plain ol' dancin'. Husband and wife, waltzing, for goo'ness sake.

[the lumberjack]

like your ultraconservative catholics, we have our ultraconservative christians...

they want to eliminate any possible door for sin.

though yes, they choose methods that I would rather not, it would not stop them from entering heaven if they never played cards, never drank, the women never wore pants, or drank.

legalistic? maybe... but I can see where they're coming from.

oh, and don't worry about them calling you names, they say the same things about other Christians who do the same.

God bless.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='May 26 2004, 12:17 PM'] I'm not so sure you are correct. I believe (and no doubt will be POLITELY corrected if I'm wrong) that the Catholic Church recognizes as valid the baptisms of Protestants that are done in the Trinitarian form. Thus those baptized in this way have a place within the Catholic Church (whether they realize it or not). To say they aren't Christians (when the Church says they are) is not only the height of uncharitable, it is disobediant to the Church's teaching. [/quote]
It is one thing to belong to the soul of the Church and quite another to belong corporately to the body of the living, organic, dynamic, teaching Catholic Church and to possess the fullness of the Christian Faith and to practice it as it was taught by Christ and the Apostles.

Most Protestants are unaware and perhaps would object to belonging to the Catholic Church in any manner or degree whatsoever.

Belonging to the soul of the Church does not make one "Catholic."

Ave Cor Mariae, Likos

[cmotherofpirl]

But being baptised makes you a member of the body of Christ.

[Katholikos]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 12:41 PM'] like your ultraconservative catholics, we have our ultraconservative christians...

they want to eliminate any possible door for sin.

though yes, they choose methods that I would rather not, it would not stop them from entering heaven if they never played cards, never drank, the women never wore pants, or drank.

legalistic? maybe... but I can see where they're coming from.

oh, and don't worry about them calling you names, they say the same things about other Christians who do the same.

God bless. [/quote]
Political terms like "liberal" or "conservative" are not applicable to Catholicism. One is either "orthodox" (right believing; conforming to the approved doctrines of the Church) or "unorthodox" (not conforming). Or, one can be said to be heterodox (not in inaccordance with established doctrines).

[the lumberjack]

you can call it what you want, likos...but I know that the differing groups exist.

God bless.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='the lumberjack' date='May 26 2004, 01:07 PM'] you can call it what you want, likos...but I know that the differing groups exist.

God bless. [/quote]
exactly his right LJ.


to follow the Church is to be Catholic.


to be anything else would not be possible.

[Anna]

Those who protest the teachings of the Church instituted by Christ are, in a word, protest-ant.

A rose, by any other name....

[the lumberjack]

still grows better when you pile carp on it...

hahahaha...jk...well, not really, I mean it DOES grow better with fertilizer...

but you know...

[Anna]

Indeed, and the piles of error and heresy of Martin Luther et al have reaped quite a harvest, haven't they?

[MorphRC]

[quote name='amarkich' date='May 27 2004, 03:27 AM'] I have a few comments. One of the early posts referred to "Evangelicals" as Christians (while admonishing the original person who posted not to judge other Christians), but this is not true anymore than saying that Arians are Christians, or Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses for that matter. Heretics cannot be considered Christians. Also, someone mentioned the Protestant stance against drinking, dancing, and Confession. While it is true that there is certainly no sin in drinking as long as it is not to excess and that Confession is necessary for our savlation, you must be aware of the writings of the Saints on every matter. While dancing in itself is not necessarily a sin, it is very easy to be scandalized at dances and by dancing. Saint John Vianney gave a great sermon on this issue. Please visit the link below to read it. I can assure you that almost every dance that is done today would fall under the category of dances about which he was speaking so long ago. God bless.

[url="http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml"]http://www.olrl.org/snt_docs/dancing.shtml[/url] [/quote]
Pax Iesus

[quote]Heretics cannot be considered Christians.[/quote]

Thank you, finally someone sees it the Old way of the Church. If Protestants, Fundamentalists are Christians, that opens up the gate to Ana-Baptists, Arians, Arius', Schismatics etc. Ive heard it told that by Priests, Bishops, Catholic Apologetists, Saints, Popes that Catholicism [b]IS[/b] Christianity, its not a sect, or denomination but IS Christianity, yet everytime we accept another form of 'Christian', protestant we deny that we ARE Christianity and were just another sect in a big family of problems, Im sure I dont have to mention the problems outside the Church!

Pax Christi Iesus
Paul.

[Dusty Fro]

[quote name='Anna' date='May 25 2004, 11:46 PM'] Simple:
Catholics aren't Christians.
They are pagans.
They pray before statues, and worship a cookie as God.
They don't read the Bible.
They need to be born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit, need to receive the gift of tongues, accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior, reject those pagan idols of saints and Mary, and get saved!

Correct me if I'm wrong.... -_-

(oh, yeah, and quit all that drinkin' and dancin' and confessin' to a priest.)

Pax Christi. <>< [/quote]
Come on, now, you know you're just being silly. All protestants don't believe that, not even all Evangelical denomination Christians believe that. My bible study teacher/worship leader is a member, and believes wholeheartedly in the gift of tongues, and ENCOURAGES dancing during song time. Make a joyful noise to the Lord, after all, and stomp your feet while you're doing it.

Also, by sarcastically saying all these things, you are implying that Catholics reject all of them, which is a poor way to go about your arguement. If you don't believe in accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, what is your religion worth?

I might add that the Evangelical denomination is a major supporter of international missions. Missionaries are the raddest people ever. They've seen so many things!